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And it's all because of ads. The incentives in an ad-funded internet are just always going to lead to this sort of thing. The most important thing is getting the user to load your page, not actually satisfying their query.

Let's hope the LLM model continues to be paying for credits, because any that move to ad revenue will become useless for real work.

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> Let's hope the LLM model continues to be paying for credits

LLM vendors make this hard because you can't trust them with your session data. Yesterday you were opted out of training, then suddenly today you're opted in.

It's an extension of the idea that they don't need to care about anybody's copyright. They don't care about preserving the security or privacy of customer data, because there is negligible incentive to do so.

For now, there's no substitute but as LLMs get commoditized trusting LLM SAAS vendors becomes an unacceptable business risk.

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But don't you want Technojesus to come save you from never having learned how to invert a binary tree?
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> And it's all because of ads.

Not really. A while ago there was a news piece stating that Israel was behind a series of fake think-tanks with very accessible websites which were created with the express purpose of feeding AI agents with alternative facts aligned with their foreign policy.

If anyone has the link at hand, please post it.

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Some of us have been predicting this for a while.

People with an axe to grind or states with an agenda are already devoting tremendous effort toward affecting LLM models and it is very difficult to determine real from astroturf for humans let alone an LLM trying to train.

Much like PageRank now that the cat's out of the bag all the current approaches may prove to be useless in the long run.

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If by "not really" you mean it's not all because of ads, some governments dabble in it too, you're right. But it's still overwhelmingly because of ads.
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It's just incentives in general. Humans are self-motivated creatures, and in the absence of meaningful consequences they'll often do what they're incentivized to do, even if it harms others.

The internet is uniquely devoid of consequences (esp. reputational consequences, social faux pas, etc.) and makes effort expenditure minimal. So you get lots of bad behavior.

I think "ads vs not ads" is maybe the wrong way to model it. Ultimately people are just doing what benefits themselves across every dimension possible.

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Campaign funding and lobbying being legal activities implies that governments participate in advertising. I can't separate those.

But you're right, I think that's what they meant.

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Sure maybe, but the online ad market is USD 400b give or take, which vastly outmatches any such budgets.
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Imagine what humanity could accomplish if marketing were taboo.
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There are incentives other than marketing, but I doubt the SEO company referred to by the ancestor comment is planning to do lots of business in the political propaganda space.
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That sounds very plausible too. Propaganda/spin has always been a component of mass media.
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You wrote "not really" and then described a literal ad.
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Same difference tbh
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The sad thing is this is unavoidable, or will be for a long time

Look at cable tv - even after going premium, you eventually wound up paying for ads anyway

In that case, you could make the argument that you could still purchase premium channels like hbo to avoid ads, but the internet doesn’t work that way - you depend on all the content generated by those ad funded channels

You could argue that Netflix changed that, and that’s why I said won’t change for a long time. I don’t think anyone’s discovered the business model yet that will keep content free for consumers while still generating revenue for companies

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Can we just ban advertisements and "marketing" at a political level please?
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In some countries it is, to some extent. In Norway for example, it is illegal to broadcast ads for political parties, alcohol, tobacco, plus basically any ads specifically targeting children (though the last one is often violated).
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For this advertisement for your activist campaign, you are hereby fined 100 credits for a violation of the anti-advertising statute. Further violations will result in loss of privileges.
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There is a term for the general practice of optimizing responses called GEO - Generative Engine Optimization [0]. A cousin of SEO and equally unsavory in how trust is being eroded through info shaping. Self-discovery by individuals is the victim.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_engine_optimization

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