upvote

points

by SoftTalker5 hours ago |
comments
upvoteby ZekeSulastin5 hours ago|
next
[-]
The entire state of Oregon has done vote-by-mail for the past ~30 years and it seems to have gone fine for them for decades. Then again, their voting by mail wasn't being challenged by an actively hostile Federal government for much of that time.
reply
upvoteby torben-friis5 hours ago|
prev|
next
[-]
I'm not American, but if I'm not mistaken, you don't have election day off like in other countries, right?

If so, how is that not clearly discriminatory for those who can't afford the time to go.

reply
upvoteby gortok5 hours ago|
parent|
next
[-]
No, Election Day is not a paid holiday, or even a recognized holiday. Public schools are generally out (at least the ones used as voting precints) but folks have work, and typically most "in person" votes are cast after 5pm (after folks traditionally leave work).

Mail in voting has been something that the elderly, infirmed, workers, and folks in the military have done for decades. It's remarkably secure and quite auditable. The issue the right has with it is that the folks that vote by mail (the military notwithstanding) are typically democrats.

reply
upvoteby mcmcmc5 hours ago|
parent|
[-]
> Mail in voting has been something that the elderly, infirmed, workers, and folks in the military have done for decades.

Very common for college students who go to school out of state as well. A conspicuously blue voting bloc.

reply
upvoteby fhdkweig5 hours ago|
parent|
prev|
next
[-]
It is not a paid holiday. It isn't an unpaid holiday either. And if you work a minimum wage job, you probably need to work as many hours as you can. And if you don't show up to work on Tuesday, don't bother showing up on Wednesday because you don't have that job anymore.

This is absolutely discriminatory against the poor. That's why the republicans fight for these types of restrictions and democrats fight against them.

reply
upvoteby Arubis5 hours ago|
parent|
prev|
next
[-]
We have a designated Election Day. It is (as you correctly imply) not a federal holiday. My own perspective is that that is indeed clearly discriminatory, and that some people like it that way.
reply
upvoteby NDlurker5 hours ago|
parent|
prev|
[-]
Everywhere I've lived has early voting too. I usually vote a few days before election day because it's not so busy.
reply
upvoteby mchristen5 hours ago|
prev|
next
[-]
Then voting needs to be a national holiday with plenty of polling locations.
reply
upvoteby fhdkweig4 hours ago|
parent|
[-]
While I think that making it a national holiday would be a good idea because it would maximize the number of eligible voters, it would still disenfranchise some people. There are jobs that have to be done 24/7/365 (mostly safety jobs), therefor there will be someone who is stuck at work that day. There are people who work at power companies on Christmas Day just to make sure the lights on Christmas trees light up.

I think the best approach is what Georgia has done. No-excuse mail-in for those who want that. And 3 weeks of early voting including Saturdays. And for those who just enjoy standing in lines, there is the official Election Day. If a redneck state can get it done without issues, then we all can do it.

reply
upvoteby nijave3 hours ago|
parent|
next
[-]
I think it's roughly the same in Ohio
reply
upvoteby wpm5 hours ago|
prev|
next
[-]
How much fraud is proven to be occurring due to mail-in ballots?
reply
upvoteby uncSoft4 hours ago|
parent|
[-]
Statistically 0

Functionally, a literal handful per season which are typically caught and prosecuted.

The right leaning Brookings and Heritage foundations dug into the numbers and found this

"Across the entire country, and utilizing a maximally inclusive estimate, between six and 46 cases of mail voting fraud were identified in each general election"

Table:

Year Total mail voting fraud percentage (out of total mail ballots cast) 2016 0.000089% 2018 0.000024% 2020 0.000051% 2022 0.000010% Average 0.000043%

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/mail-voting-in-the-us-dat...

reply
upvoteby someothherguyy4 hours ago|
prev|
next
[-]
It seems to be nearly a third (short read): https://electionlab.mit.edu/research/voting-mail-and-absente...
reply
upvoteby maximilianburke5 hours ago|
prev|
next
[-]
How much fraud happens because of mail-in or early voting?
reply
upvoteby wat100005 hours ago|
prev|
next
[-]
That's just fear mongering. Absentee voting by mail has been a thing for centuries. Attempting to limit it to people who are unable to vote in person doesn't do anything to make it more secure, and is a very weak control. It's not like they're going to check up on every single person who claims to have a specific reason they can't get to the polls. Beyond that, no-excuse absentee ballots have been a thing in many states for decades. Three states have been mailing absentee ballots to every voter automatically for a decade or more. Despite this long history, there is no evidence of widespread fraud or other problems resulting from it.
reply
upvoteby fhdkweig4 hours ago|
parent|
[-]
Agreed. I can't even recall any point in my life when an allegation of fraud was made before Trump came on the scene. I've seen requests for recounts when the margins were close, but never an allegation of malicious intent.
reply
upvoteby 1shooner5 hours ago|
prev|
[-]
Perhaps every state should just have one very well-monitored polling place.
reply
upvoteby lukas0994 hours ago|
parent|
[-]
So that the election is decided by the people who live near the one place?
reply