LLMs started meaningfully passing the Turing test a year or two ago, around GPT-4.5. Is there another version or bar for "passing" you're looking for?
replyWith how prevalent LLM verbal tics have become these days, I wonder if they're going to start un-passing the Turing Test at some point because of more and more people starting to notice and immediately clock these tics lol.
replyThat’s using the default system prompt, right? Which is told to be an assistant.
replyI might agree, GPT-4.5 was pretty close to peak conversationalist. Newer models are extremely cringe. 4.5 and o3 actually made me laugh on occasion. There might be a way of making Sol/Fable more human in its responses, but out of the box at least, they're terrible.
replyYou're overindexing on the past 3-6 months, IMHO.
replyMy whole life the Turing test has been my benchmark. Mostly because I believed it would be impossible for a machine to pass, but also because I thought it was the most reasonable test of AGI.So, I'm not about to start moving goalposts now and calling everything that's been happening lately not AGI.
replyTuring never proposed that test as an actual benchmark of machine intelligence. On the contrary, the whole point of his thesis was that passing the test only shows the capability to pass that test, which only matters as far as we find that capability useful. He was arguing that the concept of intelligence just doesn't apply to studying machines, we should simply talk about what can they do.
replyOkay, I believe you; mostly because you appear to be a human and I'm not really in the mood to read through a paper from 1950 at the moment.
replyBut I still stand by it being _my_ benchmark for machine intelligence, which is all I was claiming.
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replyI'm barely holding it together here so you don't get the full spiel, but a quick skim of Turing's paper clarifies that it was never about a binary test. https://courses.cs.umbc.edu/471/papers/turing.pdf Specifically sections 1 & 6 dispell the common myths, and the conclusion is also quite powerful.
replySmart guy, that Turing. I wish he were still around... Linus but 114 years old and with 8 of that as the chair of a federated EU, kept alive by his own positive impact on dissolving the cold war into even more of a scientific boom. Would crazy helpful as we try to navigate the interesting times within which we have been damned.
A comforting thought, almost?
That's a very interesting thought that I hadn't had before: what would Turing think of where we've arrived with machine intelligence? What would be his approach for testing?
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