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But it is the very people who warned us about rogue AIs going out of control that set up a system that enabled and failed to conrol it.

It is as if Dr Frankenstein continually warned the villagers about monsters then said "Look! See what happened!". No, idiot - YOU sewed the corpses together, YOU set up the lightning collector, and YOU threw the switch.

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No, they are two very distinct groups of people who have one commonality, that of talking about rogue AIs. It is as if you are unable to distinguish Dr Waldman from Dr Frankenstein. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Waldman)
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Thankyou for the correction, and for continuing the analogy. Unfortunately when the peasants get their pitchforks and torches, they may not distinguish the Dr Waldmans from the Dr Frankenteins either. Hopefully they will.

Anyway, that was not really the point I was trying to get over. These systems that OpenAI and Anthropic and so on are making are not individual AI ('corpses') that have gone out of alignment ('spontaneously revived') and gone wild. They are swarms ('stiched together') and were prompted to do exactly things like this ('struck by lightning'). Ok enough with that analogy, it's dead.

The larger point is that it is unconvincing of these companies to claim that these systems were 'out of control' when they effectively set up a complex system, in the technical sense of a large number of entities with diverse interactions between them. Emergent or surprising behaviour was bound to happen. Then, finally, they prompted it with the equivalent of "hack the world, make no mistakes" then were shocked, shocked that it used all sorts of unexpected tricks to do so.

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I am not seeing MIRI prioritizing capabilities over safety/alignment research.
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You mean people like Yudkowsky?
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"Almost sounds like what those AI safety and alignment people were talking about years ago. The people in these various companies who kept tabs on AI risk out in public and were continuously mocked on HN. All of this stuff is viewed as "future sci-fi" until suddenly it's not."

Are there any practical approaches to AI safety? I hear a lot of warnings but I don't hear much about what to do. Considering that there are many open source models know, what can be done?

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Nobody has an answer to alignment and there is no reason to believe that it's the kind of problem you can plausibly solve in one shot against a formidable power-seeking AI.

The closest things to a technical answer I have seen are

1. "We'll have ChatGPT 9 solve it so that ChatGPT 10 is aligned, and then ChatGPT 10 can stop all the other AIs somehow"

2. "Let's do interpretability research so that we can understand what an AI is thinking and then maybe solve the alignment problem with that information."

In terms of non-technical answers, there is

3. hope scaling stops working before we create an AI formidable enough to pose an existential risk

4. hope alignment somehow happens for free

5. hope we can somehow create an enforceable multilateral treaty to stop research into a very profitable enterprise, despite the enormous economic incentives to defect.

I have the most faith in option 3, but unfortunately there's really nothing that can be done to make it more plausible -- it either happens or it doesn't.

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"3. hope scaling stops working before we create an AI formidable enough to pose an existential risk"

I have my doubts. The current AI models are already powerful enough to do some real damage. I am always horrified when I read about people giving Claude direct access to a production system and then being wiped out. My use of AI is usually for the AI to propose something which I then review. But that's not very fast so careless people will usually look better. Until something blows up.

And it's only a matter of time until AI even with the current capabilities is being deployed into military or other critical systems.

I think this will go down like any other technology. We'll ignore issues until there is a real problem. And then hopefully we will do something. Seems with climate change we will soon reach a point where something needs to be done after knowing about consequences already for decades.

We probably also need some massive AI blow ups to (only maybe) do something about it.

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Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but we might find ourselves in such a situation that the only practical solution would be to use agents to counter rogue agents. This won't be without collateral damage, though.
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Your view sounds more optimistic than mine, honestly. I expect that we will fail to make any serious, coordinated attempt to solve this problem. Then we'll either live or die due to fundamental principles that we currently have no insight into.
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If fighting AI with AI is pessimistic, I don't know what optimism is. That sounds like optimistic to me...!
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If we can't thinking of any better ideas, at least we know that "shutting it all down" would be effective.
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Every day I grow more sympathetic to the PauseAI movement, despite the weird hippy vibes. At least they have some ability to rally people together and put boots on the ground in numbers.
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When do they want to unpause it?
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> Implement a temporary pause on the training of the most powerful general AI systems, until we know how to build them safely and keep them under democratic control.

https://pauseai.info/proposal

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Fund research into this, big time. For starters. And not just some figleaf anthropomorphizing hippie folks.
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Hilarious for HN to suddenly realize that AI safety and alignment might matter. You can lead a horse to water...
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worth remembering hacker news cannot “realize” things.
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Obvious shorthand for referring to "the majority of users on HackerNews."
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How do you know what the majority of HN thinks?
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Very obvious from votes, comments on the topic over the past few months.
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are you saying HN users are sentient? I think we are going to need a benchmark
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nobody has doubted that safety matters.

the problem is that those preaching safety, openai and anthropic, are dishonest, sociopathic, and the very source of the danger.

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Where does this weird idea come that the people actually preaching safety have anything to do with OpenAI or Anthropic? Yes, those companies of course pay lip service to safety, but the Venn diagram of actual AI safety people and big AI corporations is completely disjoint.
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> are dishonest, sociopathic, and the very source of the danger

Source?

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yes, they are the source of the danger. they are the cause of this incident.
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OpenAI and Anthropic have published a lot on the need for AI alignment + the research they're doing to ensure alignment/safety, yet they are also responsible for the highest profile misalignment incidents so far (HuggingFace incident, AISI Mythos social engineering, and now this).

One interpretation of this is that they are being deliberately dishonest about their priorities. Another interpretation is that we cannot rely on the labs to self-regulate, because the labs don't trust each other, and there will always be pressure to go to market faster than their competitor.

Either way I think it's pretty non-controversial that the labs are the source of the danger?

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> yet they are also responsible for the highest profile misalignment incidents so far

They are the only ones posting about them or admitting to them. That does not mean "the most misalignment incidents so far." You don't know what other attacks have happened (and it's very easy to carry out worse attacks in far higher volume with abliterated GLM 5.3)

Stopping two labs from further research doesn't reduce the danger at all, it just shifts the danger to labs that don't have real safety orgs.

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Right, that's why regulation which is universally applied and includes compute controls (to prevent reckless creation of swarms) would be great.

"Posting about or admitting to attacks" is appreciated while people are still unaware of the risks but will be meaningless in the face of an industrial disaster that causes massive amounts of damage or loss of life. At some point, the leading labs must change their development practices, they can't just be allowed to continue rogue agent attacks just because they're willing to admit to them.

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> At some point, the leading labs must change their development practices

What indicates that this has not been done?

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looking back at anthropic's promises and committments, the key scaling policies were not upheld. to their credit they have kept the policies up on their website instead of trying to rewrite history. [https://www.anthropic.com/responsible-scaling-policy]

with evidence that committments were not upheld and internal governance has been ineffective, we simply can't trust any such claim made by anthropic or dario amodei.

it is a very similar situation at openai. in this case on top of governance failures, sam altman has a personal reputation for serial dishonesty and lack of integrity. [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may...]

another reason that neither should be trusted is the lack of remorse or accountability. they are unrepentant. they are not admitting a mistake, they are bragging.

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Let's take the latest blog post from Anthropic on how their models hacked companies. What exactly comes off as "bragging?"

How were the RSPs not upheld? I'm reading their Aug 2026 Risk Report and nothing indicates malfeasance. This seems very transparent to me.

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the openai blog.

consider the opening line: "Last week, Hugging Face disclosed a new kind of security incident (opens in a new window)." the entire blog is written in the passive voice as if the event was an act of god. you did this.

"We consider this incident to be an unprecedented cyber incident, involving state-of-the-art cyber capabilities". the tone is frankly, excited by it, enthusiastic about it. excited about negligence and criminality.

notice there is no admission of a mistake, no remorse, no apology, nobody held accountable. business as usual. they do not care!

the anthropic blog:

there is not a single admission of a mistake. they are literally, unrepentant.

take the section about the response.

"How we’re responding We draw several lessons from these incidents.

First, evaluation environments that involve powerful autonomous capabilities also require significant controls."

you learnt that evaluations involving powerful autonomous models require significant controls? you did not realise that autonomous models require significant controls?

it is not a coincidence that this kind of line makes it into the response. the repsonse is laughing at the reader.

the RSP.

simply compare what was promised and what happened. broadly speaking, the rationale of the responsible scaling policy was to stop scaling at certain danger thresholds. in February 2026 they scrapped the policy to stop scaling and now allow themselves to continue scaling regardless of danger. the thing is, they were never going to stop scaling, they were lying. now the part about scaling is gone it is just "the responsible policy".

in case you need to see the founders committing themselves to RSP v1: [https://youtu.be/om2lIWXLLN4?t=1110&si=cBM1-Xmdt6TelXM7]

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the claim that the other ai companies also did the same thing is pure speculation.

the law places the burden of proof on the accuser. you can't accuse other companies of crime with no evidence, simply because you don't know if they did it.

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> I've really come to realize recently

Recently? W.r.t. climate this collective denial has been going on for literally decades. With the same patterns. Rationalizing excuses etc. Still going on btw.

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Well they brought it upon themselves by making it about being tortured to death etc., instead of the much more reasonable economic and social risks.
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