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by Aachen12 hours ago |
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upvoteby jdlshore12 hours ago|
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The issue is that scrapers are rotating their IP and essentially performing a DDoS attack. Anubis is part of a defense-in-depth solution. If scrapers reuse a cookie, traditional anti-abuse mechanisms will work.
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upvoteby gruez12 hours ago|
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>If scrapers reuse a cookie, traditional anti-abuse mechanisms will work.

Scrapers can't change their strategy? It's not hard to think of mitigations: keep on using a session until you're banned, and failing that rotate your IP. Nowadays you don't even need to think. You can probably tell a LLM "write me a scraper that has adaptive anti-anti-bot mechanism".

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upvoteby embedding-shape12 hours ago|
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> Scrapers can't change their strategy?

Yes, but you normally don't try to fight all strategies up front, you add stuff on a need-to basis. Currently, lots of people are in the stage of "need to get this thing using bunch of IPs to stop hammering my servers", apparently Anubis helps them with that. If that stops working, other tactics are tried, and so it goes on for the life of your service. Hasn't stopped yet, doesn't seem to be stopped soon either.

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upvoteby gruez12 hours ago|
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That argument also works against anubis. Why bother forcing clients to solve a PoW challenge, when you're fighting a bunch of unsophisticated attackers that will be deterred by a javascript challenge that requires them to solve `result = x + y`?
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upvoteby xena11 hours ago|
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This is why there's the meta refresh challenge as an option: https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/configuration/challeng...

Turns out that in practice there's some bots that implement support for this but not JavaScript.

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upvoteby embedding-shape11 hours ago|
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Point is, you get problems because of something like this, you try either approach. And when that stops working (because eventually it will), you add something else. Some work better against some actors, but also feels like it never ends, so slowly you add more things. I don't think Anubis is uniquely able to stop that particular type of annoyance, it's just one of the tools you can see if it helps. If you want to try something else before, makes a lot of sense to do so.
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upvoteby well_ackshually2 hours ago|
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You're not fighting unsophisticated attackers. 50% of them are, maybe. The rest? They're actively hostile, detecting blocking attempts, moving on to botnets, DDoSing you and trying everything they can to bypass you.

People have been sent to jail for participating in LOIC attacks which were less destructive that what these bots do on the daily.

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upvoteby mitxela11 hours ago|
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upvoteby myng1111 hours ago|
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Not only is this not true, you are misgendering Xe. They use they/them pronouns.
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upvoteby bulder12 hours ago|
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Plenty of these abusive scrapers are utilizing retail residential proxies, which will be applying forced rotations to avoid "burning" their compromised and or otherwise surreptitiously utilized IP address.
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upvoteby __s10 hours ago|
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https://people.kernel.org/monsieuricon/creepy-crawlies reports anubis effectiveness falling off
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upvoteby doc_ick8 hours ago|
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I would disagree with the Anubis effectiveness falling off, but the llm bros are throwing life itself into training to defeat any “perceived” challenge.
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upvoteby mitxela11 hours ago|
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If you change your IP address, it invalidates the cookie. If you don't change your IP address, you can be blocked by IP address.
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