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Openclaw creator Peter Steinberg was in talks with Zuck at the beginning of the year before choosing to work for Openai.

I think Meta limiting factor for this product was lack of agentic capable models which they fixed now with aggressive RLHF focused data gathering.

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RLVR
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They're not the first. Each lab has its own: grok bot, codex desktop, perplexity computer, Claude whatever
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Only Grokbot, openclAw, hermes, and instinct compare right now due to the mobile-first form factor.
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This is not even true. Gemini Spark has been there for a while.
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I mean nobody really uses Gemini because is just too weak…
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More because Spark is not good. Gemini Flash 3.8 is an awesome model! I use it all the time

Spark asks you for every single tool call, often forgets earlier parts of the conversation, is unable to use apps unless you explicitly tag them and and and

Google has great models, but their harnesses and products are just bad

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Google definitely does not have good models and if it does, Gemini Flash series models are definitely not them. I use the Google Gemini app daily (for searches, research etc.), everyday, for some query, gemini flash 3.8 hallucinates, does not understand context etc. in quite short conversations. I switch back to 3.1 pro and it works fine.

Which brings me to why do they get good benchmark scores? Have never really understood this. They must be optimizing just for this.

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Grokbot wa first and enterprise and consumer focused
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Both enterprise AND consumer-focused? You've got to pick a lane.
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not if your job is to blatantly shill a billionaire
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Grok is made by Elon Musk and hence fit for neither
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They have been leading research on AI until ChatGPT was released.

They had the FAIR, and Yann Le Cun.

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I mean, Google and x.AI already have stuff like this. There's plenty of other options as well. And even outside of that, I've heard the promise of "let AI book your reservations!" since before LLMs became a thing.

None of this seems new. Maybe polished, but useless to anyone who is seriously using AI for anything important. I imagine this is effectively a toy for boomers who want to feel like they're keeping up with the latest tech by tapping a few buttons in Facebook.

And none of that even touches that fact that nobody should be OK with Meta having this kind of access to their life. But I'll leave that to others to harp on lol

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None of them lets you have a hosted dedicated agent with real browsing capabilities on the free tier.
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I don't understand the meaning of the last sentence of this comment
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They are saying OpenClaw/friends are hard to get setup and keep running without technical knowledge. Saying "Think of how hard it would be to setup OpenClaw without technical support"
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xAI/cursor was first with grokbot
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It was behind the heavy 100$/mo+ plans. Clearly meant for enterprise and not consumer.
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Only for about a week. Then they saw sense and started rolling it out to the peasants too.

I use it every day now, having it look a few times a day for glitched pricing deals and hunting down useful directories to list my projects in.

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Stealing and spamming? Sounds right :) jk
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People didn't know because "grokbot" sounds like a bot that makes revenge porn of your enemies
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Meta isn't known for having great customer support
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That depends on who you think Meta’s customer is.
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Their support for advertisers is one of the worst in the business.
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"This account needs permission to view this page

The account you're signed into doesn't have access to this page. Please log out and follow the steps in your email."

there is no logout or instruction whatsoever on email, so zero tech support definitely not true

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Also running into this same issue. At first I logged in fine but nothing in the UI would hydrate properly and now just hit with this error.
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Same here. Facebook has a horrible experience when you're traveling or logging in from a new computer. I still have business Instagram accounts blocked with no way to login and no support. Wouldn't want to depend on anything from Facebook, especially not something with access to my email, calendar, and browser.
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Instinct exists with the same features. It is quite good. I was thinking they were gonna get acquired by meta 100%, but looks like meta has a competitor.
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It will probably fail bc they can't compete with instant distribution to 3B people worldwide
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Yep. But I suppose these are early forms of the product and who distributes the next, high PMF product the best is what matters. So I wouldn't write off others.
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