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by brunoborges19 hours ago |
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upvoteby pdpi19 hours ago|
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There's two ways to approach this — build tooling for existing Rust developers to get them to adopt the Microsoft stack, or build tooling for existing Microsoft stack developers to get them to adopt Rust.

I'd argue that the former is less important than the latter, and my understanding is that Visual Studio is still the IDE for Windows-centric development, so for those MS-first developers, Rust missing from VS means Rust is poorly supported, end of story.

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upvoteby isolay18 hours ago|
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It would have to be the 2nd option. Who in their right mind would voluntarily choose Windows as their dev env? It will have to be those who are already there.
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upvoteby bluGill18 hours ago|
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Most people don't have a choice. Corporate IT has choosen what I run my machine on. I have used a native linux machine, but since my email is still on outlook, everybody uses teams, and all the non-code documents are on windows I end up having to have a windows machine. Linux in a VM under windows ends up being the easiest workflow (though I'm just starting to try WSL and so far it is looking good)
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upvoteby disgruntledphd218 hours ago|
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> (though I'm just starting to try WSL and so far it is looking good)

WSL is really nice, as is Windows Terminal. I particularly love its fonts (but that's probably just me).

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upvoteby throwaway8582516 hours ago|
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Did they ever fix terminal performance?
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upvoteby peterfirefly1 hours ago|
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Mostly, yes. They didn't really apologize for the abuse they sent towards Muratori but they did essentially wind up with the architecture he proposed.
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upvoteby ocdtrekkie15 hours ago|
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I think just running cmd still uses much less memory but Terminal is much, much faster than it was.
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upvoteby philwelch15 hours ago|
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Outlook and Teams are both web apps, or at least they were when I last used them. Even if you download the "native" app it's just Electron. I haven't had trouble using either of them on Linux.
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upvoteby bluGill15 hours ago|
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Outlook is native. There is the new web version that it says don't use (yet)
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upvoteby tcfhgj1 hours ago|
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Which sends your login data straight to microsoft
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upvoteby pjmlp1 hours ago|
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Plenty of us do, so far Valve has failed to make native builds for Linux appealing for game studios, even though they already have to deal with similar APIs on Android, iDevices and PS/Switch.
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upvoteby vouwfietsman17 hours ago|
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This kind of stuff is why its hard to have good conversations about tooling. Windows is the best place for many kinds of software dev, but perhaps not the kind you are doing.
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upvoteby rafterydj15 hours ago|
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When it is not the mandated option, under what circumstances is Windows the best choice for software dev? The only domain I can think of is gaming, and Valve is seemingly coming up fast to eat Microsoft's lunch in the next few years.
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upvoteby pjmlp1 hours ago|
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Game development, graphics programming and GUI tooling.

The alternative being macOS, if Apple actually had competitive prices for all kinds of world economies.

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upvoteby dwattttt11 hours ago|
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Valve is certainly increasing the viability of Linux as a platform for gaming, but I can't see developers targeting Wine or Linux for a major game over Windows directly. Not for a decade, if ever.
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upvoteby neutronicus18 hours ago|
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Visual Studio brings a lot to the table for C++ development. Specifically the Debugger, although IntelliSense also often succeeds at queries that stump clangd.

If they can replicate that capability, I think it can be a draw.

I was a mac / Linux guy before my current gig, but Visual Studio is so much more capable than XCode that I basically only use the Windows machine except to debug mac-specific issues. Less so, now, admittedly, that the malware scanner process is literally always pegging a CPU core.

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upvoteby not_a919 hours ago|
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Visual Studio does have a really nice C++ debugger - one would imagine the C++ debugging capabilities should translate to Rust.
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upvoteby pjmlp59 minutes ago|
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Hot code reloading, and incremental linking would be great, given the build times.
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upvoteby jiggawatts9 hours ago|
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> Because it takes time.

That's an excuse, not the reason.

IntelliJ RustRover has been around for years.

Similarly, VS Code has had Rust plugins written by the community in their spare time years ago.

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upvoteby germandiago19 hours ago|
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> Even with coding agents

Because of coding agents? :D

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