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by kenjackson8 hours ago |
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upvoteby TSiege8 hours ago|
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Are you implying that OpenAI using someones unpublished research without their permission to solve an career defining math problem with their latest model in order to publish first is a problem with the mathematicians?

My read on this document is that people's work isn't being fairly cited more than what does it mean to be a mathematician in this age.

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upvoteby famouswaffles7 hours ago|
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>Are you implying that OpenAI using someones unpublished research without their permission to solve an career defining math problem

Good thing they never did that then

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upvoteby kenjackson7 hours ago|
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I didn't know this article was about that issue at all. Yeah, if the issue is properly citing work then yes, OpenAI needs to do that. But the article read like it was tackling a completely different issue.
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upvoteby pred_7 hours ago|
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That's one of several issues, obviously a big one, and they do touch on it:

> Often these solutions are announced in a rush, leaving no time for a proper writeup, the isolation of new methods and ideas, and citing relevant previous work of others. As in all creative professions, this raises severe attribution and plagiarism questions.

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upvoteby kenjackson7 hours ago|
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Yes. I forgot about that section. That is probably the one thing that the AI companies can and should do better on.
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upvoteby nautilus128 hours ago|
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This is the real issue, though this article does not really hit on it explicitly just alludes to it.
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upvoteby TSiege8 hours ago|
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Yes I think they should be more direct. Not sure why they weren't
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upvoteby levocardia7 hours ago|
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Indeed, I wonder how a similar letter by Uber drivers would be received -- "navigation is an intrinsically human domain, personal relationships are critical for passengers and drivers to progress in the world, etc etc." Or doctors, for that matter.

We are all going to have to come to terms with entities more capable than we are, and in many cases, letting the real work be done by the AIs will be the right thing to do. For all the huffing and puffing about the "human touch" in medicine, it will eventually become downright irresponsible to consult only with a human doctor. I am not sure if this is the case in mathematics or not, but if it isn't, that suggests math will be relegated to more of a hobby than a cutting edge scientific discipline.

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upvoteby piloto_ciego8 hours ago|
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That's how I read it too, Terry Tao, who has been a "pro-AI math guy" is going through the same emotions and confusion that us SWE folks are going through, "oh, wait... this might mean I'm not going to be special anymore!?"

I don't mean to be a dick, but I've talked about it previously. These folks are grieving. I get it, I've lived through this sort of life changing thing before, it sucks... but yeah.

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upvoteby throwaway19217 hours ago|
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I think this is ridiculously flippant. If software engineering and the hardest math is solved, that means that eventually a majority of professions and knowledge work is solved. This is hugely problematic because of the way our society currently functions. People need jobs to eat, pay for housing, etc.

Dismissing it as "innovations have happened before" is disingenuous. Yes, innovations have happened, but none of those threatened to automate all human work in existence.

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upvoteby piloto_ciego7 hours ago|
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Our current society will certainly not survive. Read Mark Fisher’s capitalist realism. You’re right that all most works are “cooked.”
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upvoteby bananaflag8 hours ago|
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Yeah given he had been very pro-AI for years, I expected he made peace with the issue many many years ago (like I did back in 2018), and when this time would come he would explain to other mathematicians how to live with it.

I am a bit disappointed by him.

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upvoteby keybored7 hours ago|
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It sucks. But yeah. Trillion-dollar industry wants your livelihood. This is but a force of nature.
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