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People like you who equate signal and WhatsApp are also responsible for not making any progress due to ideological stubbornness it’s something that I absolutely despise from a part of HN crowd here.
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Great, I'm happy to be a nail in the coffin of the signal advocacy.

Remember how everyone jumped on Google when they promised to do no evil? Now they're one of the most abundant mass surveillance companies in the world and we can't move away because they're too big to fail.

Signal is one sale away from being evil too. They might not do it but we've been conned so many times that I will only take technical guarantees, not promises that can be broken.

And really, lots of progress is made in real open communications. Matrix is getting more mature by the day. NATO uses it, the French government and several others. And the good thing is, you can always run your own server and connect to the hive. Nobody can tell you what to do, nobody can tell you to surveil your users like the EU is planning to do.

We need something truly open. Not a WhatsApp light.

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> signal is just another walled garden like WhatsApp

For me the difference is in the ownership. Who owns each. Which is BigCorp? That’s why I trust one more than the other.

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Ownership can change. That's the problem. It happened to WhatsApp itself! Meta bought a network with the userbase that was already too big to leave.
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