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by nomel12 hours ago |
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upvoteby PaulCarrack12 hours ago|
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> We need to start the long process of hard forking now or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation.
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upvoteby 11 hours ago|
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upvoteby luqtas12 hours ago|
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oh yes sure. just like we can shift the population into installing Debian into their machines so we also deter M$ and Apple abuse /s
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upvoteby olyjohn10 hours ago|
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We did it before. Thanks to Firefox we broke the IE6 monopoly even on Windows.
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upvoteby mitxela8 hours ago|
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How did that happen, anyway? Tabs? What's the next killer feature after tabs? Maybe sync?
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upvoteby epihelix5 hours ago|
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Adblock, I would have thought. And Google can't compete in this space, by their very nature.

This is the message that Firefox needs to push: Hate ads? Use Firefox.

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upvoteby EbNar4 hours ago|
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Considering that Firefox by itself doesn't block anything without extensions, that seemingly less than 10% of users use extensions and that tgere5are already quite a few snappier browsers that block ads by default...
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upvoteby grahamburger7 hours ago|
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Haven't all the major browsers had sync for ages? I've been using Firefox's built-in sync for so long I don't even remember what it was like without it.
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upvoteby godelski6 hours ago|
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You act like it hasn't been done before.

Also, switching browsers is trivial. I do it on my parents' machines and they don't notice

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upvoteby Rohansi11 hours ago|
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It's so much easier to switch browsers than platform/OS. Unless you have an iPhone or iPad.
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upvoteby saghm11 hours ago|
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I'm reading your comment on Firefox. You can probably read mine and write a reply on it too!
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upvoteby godelski6 hours ago|
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That's crazy! I'm commenting from Firefox! What a crazy world! How is this even possible?!
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upvoteby JumpCrisscross12 hours ago|
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Donate to Ladybird https://ladybird.org/
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upvoteby soraminazuki6 hours ago|
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Handing even a slight control over the web to an all-out white replacement theorist is somehow even worse than the status quo. Ladybird is run by the kind of person I'd never want to financially contribute to.

- https://nitter.example/awesomekling/status/19693500085383702... (archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20250920103645/https://twitter.c...)

- https://nitter.example/awesomekling/status/18745182953508374... (archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20250101180923/https://twitter.c...)

- https://nitter.example/awesomekling/status/19712877382689095... (archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20250925185636/https://twitter.c...)

- https://nitter.example/awesomekling/status/19671787088520972... (archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20250914104847/https://twitter.c...)

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upvoteby GalaxyNova1 hours ago|
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I don't think he said anything factually incorrect though?
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upvoteby soraminazuki1 hours ago|
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And yet again comes someone pretending as if unhinged far right rants embracing racism and white victimhood is some sort of objective truth seeking. It's unfortunate that this has become so normalized here.
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upvoteby jm412 hours ago|
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They have their own problems. They may be "open source", but they don't accept contributions. I'm skeptical it will ever become more than a hobby project.
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upvoteby ragnese11 hours ago|
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Is not accepting contributions the only/biggest issue you have with the project? I'm honestly becoming more and more okay with the "cathedral" style of open source. Depending on the project, catering to "the community" can lead a loss of focus, lack of a cohesive "vision" or scope, and just generally trying to be everything to everyone without the resources to maintain a giant beast.

With something like a browser (engine), I'm totally okay with someone saying "I'm an expert and I'm trying something with my own vision/priorities. I don't want input from random people that I have to spend time evaluating."

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upvoteby seb120410 hours ago|
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Yes I can relate to this. Picking good, valuable feedback out of the noise has become a chore.
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upvoteby tech234a11 hours ago|
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Commit activity actually increased after they blocked external contributions in June: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/graphs/commit-ac...
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upvoteby takeda10 hours ago|
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It's on BSD license, Google or someone else can again Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
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upvoteby bigstrat20034 hours ago|
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That is not possible. Google, or anyone else, can make a fork of the project. But they can't take away the original from the commons.
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upvoteby shevy-java12 hours ago|
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Well, it is time to realise that GPL and similar variants, are better in the long term. I like MIT too, but GPL worked so much better for the linux kernel. Google and others abuse the ecosystem of open source contributors here.
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upvoteby microtonal12 hours ago|
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You mean the Linux kernel that the GrapheneOS project has to request every update for and then has to wait up to weeks to get a Google Drive link?

The GPL is worth nothing if nobody is enforcing it aggressively.

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upvoteby dvdkon11 hours ago|
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The GPL is the only reason they even get that. More enforcement would certainly be good, but it's not like the GPL is worthless without a legal team backing you up.
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upvoteby nomel11 hours ago|
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Could you quote the part of the GPL that they're not adhering to (which you seem to be implying), in this situation?
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upvoteby microtonal3 hours ago|
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There has been a long discussion about this a while ago on HN when these delays came up. The relevant blurb:

Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

Many people argued that 'customarily used for software interchange' is worded-as is to always be relevant to the times when the license is applied and that providing access to a Git repository is customary nowadays. In fact:

- The upstream Linux tree is distributed through Git.

- The relevant Pixel kernel sources used to be distributed through Git.

IANAL, so I am not sure how this part of the license will hold up in court, but the spirit is clear. Providing a Google Drive link is not customarily used for software interchange.

Also, I think it is fairly clear that the procedure is put in place to make everyone's life difficult, given that the relevant source used to be distributed through Git.

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upvoteby mitxela8 hours ago|
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Yes, as opposed to the Fuchsia kernel where they wouldn't even get that. We're lucky Google is institutionally incapable of creating things.
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