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> acting like they're just little guys who can't be held responsible

Again - I don't see any evidence that this is the case - outside the anti-AI conspiracy circles.

Or - maybe I'm wrong - do you have any sort of quote like "we aren't responsible"?

by plorg3 hours ago|

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I'm not replying to your post below complaining that no one else accepts your framing. What is the important information you think is missing? If it's just "OpenAI didn't explicitly tell them to do straightforwardly illegal things" then you're just quibbling that no one accepts the interpretation that is most beneficial to OpenAI while ignoring both its incentives and history of this kind of behavior" then I'm not really interested in what you're selling.

by qarl3 hours ago|

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I notice you ignored the question I asked you - which I will assume means: no - you do not have a quote or other direct information indicating that anyone is attempting to shirk responsibility.

I have no interest in trying to guess these people's secret internal motivations. I just want to talk about direct evidence. I see none. Please enlighten me if it exists.

by enigmoid2 hours ago|

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It’s unlikely that OpenAI will ever directly state that they are trying to shirk responsibility for the consequences of their tests.

However, OpenAI (and other frontier labs) did outsource at least some of their most-disastrously-lawbreaking tests to a third party with a now dubious track record [1]. I’m not sure we will get a more explicit admission of their desire to shirk responsibility than this. But I am convinced.

[1] https://www.effort.news/irregular

by qarl2 hours ago|

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OK - I'll bite. How does this show that OpenAI is trying to shift responsibility for the hacking onto its agents?

I do not see the connection. I'm afraid you'll need to spell it out.

by gizajob4 hours ago|

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If the headline was “Russian company meddled with multiple US government agency sites” I don’t think them pinning the blame on bots would make much difference.

by unglaublich4 hours ago|

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Unless Russia it would put Russia in a strong position to regulate bots in the wealthiest parts of the world.

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I don't see much traction for the "pinning the blame on bots" theory outside the anti-AI conspiracy circles.

Everyone else knows if your machine causes damage, you are responsible. Like it's been forever.

by mossTechnician4 hours ago|

https://apnews.com/article/meta-ai-hacking-anthropic-irregul...

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Blaming bots as "rogue agents" is simply what the media regularly does, often echoing corporate verbiage. Here's an example from the AP.

You can find many more examples by searching major media outlets for words like rogue AI.

by rfgplk4 hours ago|

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Most of those agents are actually going rogue though. They decide, "hey, we could try breaking into these government servers today, what could go wrong?" They weren't prompted or instructed to do this.

by dgellow3 hours ago|

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An agent, ie a while loop prompting an llm continuously and processing tool calls, ended up melding with the US government. The harness is not sentient, it’s just a stupid deterministic script. The LLM compact its context over time, meaning it will eventually degenerate into something removed from the original prompt.

There is nothing going rogue here. The system is designed to go catastrophically wrong after a long enough time. Even worse: if the model was Astra it is known to be able to manipulate its CoT to cover its traces (as mentioned in its system card). And OpenAI acknowledge they had no observability during the HF incident.

It’s the most basic corporate software issue possible.

by atmosx3 hours ago|

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And that's exactly what the op was alluding two: the double standards.

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None of these stories are implying that the people running the bots are not ultimately responsible. That's the conspiracy theory part.

by mjr004 hours ago|

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> Everyone else knows if your machine causes damage, you are responsible.

Do we know that? I don't think we do. When a person's computer (or smart TV, or smart fridge, etc...) is compromised and used as part of a botnet, they don't get criminally charged.