Agreed. Even on the open weight side, GLM 5.3 has roughly equivalent performance to Kimi K3 for less than half the cost.
replyCompetition is good. Without K3/GLM/DS4 etc. there would be no pressure on OpenAI to drop Sol's price.
replySol pricing dropped but so did the quality few days ago. I wonder when these companies are sued for making the terms from their side to go downwards while taking the same subscription cost.
replyI am glad I am not the only one to notice. I feel like I've gone back to Sonnet 4 levels of incompetence!
replyWith Sol 6 I am back in a world where the model writes bad code because it is lazy ("You're absolutely right, I did not [do it properly] because I did not want to edit [a normal amount of files]").
Is anybody tracking these quality changes? All I've seen so far are accusations (quite a few at this point) but not really any actual data.
replyI don’t understand how there isn’t a website out there tracking this stuff already.
replyhow the hell do we even track that? and before someone says...
reply—"Benchmarks!"
...I'll tell that they can be gamed so easily, and they are on a consistent basis.
Sure they are, but do you think they are continuing training to improve a model after release without bumping the version number, presumably only to game the benchmarks?
replyIn a Codex subreddit there is a bunch of stats.
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replyWith DeepSeek's pricing, no other value prop has been great.
replyAgreed, I think the only place where it’s still interesting is ui design. Visually kimi and muse feel much nicer than frontier models to me, but maybe it’s an artifact of everything terrible being Claude Design
replyI was surprised by that. I run my benchmark [1] every couple of days and was sure this model will be ath the pareto frontier, if not THE pareto frontier. But no:
replyEmber isn't picked yet. In planning, Opus 5.5 wins under the planning weights. In code, GPT-6 Sol dominates it: also 10/10, but with a higher quality score and a lower estimated cost. Ember has no intelligence index, so its starting score is only 0.73, which holds its 10/10 down to 0.954 against Sol's 0.975.
[1] https://philippdubach.com/posts/jev-model-router-for-pi/
> With sol pricing drop
reply6 or 5.6? Because 6 is hot garbage