Both can be true at the same time.
replyThis is like using "protect the children" as an argument for dragnet surveillance.
replyOpenAI could airgap their sandbox if they really wanted to and this is a ridiculous proposal.
replyThat a person can see such endless pages of people having various forms of disagreement, and yet somehow manage to conclude that this observed chaos constitutes a clear exhibition of cohesive groupthink is just...stunningly amazing to me.
replyI don't know why I find it so amazing since it happens with such regularity, but I'm always amazed by it anyway.
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/uwoyygmsu
some might even say, something about known state sponsors of supply chain terrorist attacks being trusted to monitor every ai agent..
replyAirgap what network? How is it gonna order you a burrito on doordash without a network?
replyOr push to github?
That's for when they're doing hacking tests that aren't supposed to be connected to the internet.
replyMy question with this point is that OpenAI’s office (or any office doing agentic research, really) is not in the same building as the DC that powers the models, so isn’t the only way to access the models over the internet?
replyNo reason why you couldn't do that research in the same buildings as the models.
replyOr, more likely, control things at the network level so that packets from the LLMs you're investigating cannot leave the virtual network they're assigned to.
Where is the contradiction? There is a trivial solution that does not impinge on our freedoms, so why on Earth would the existence of the trivial solution that could be used to avoid the tyrannical solution justify accepting the tyrannical solution?
reply> There is a trivial solution that does not impinge on our freedoms
replyThe existence of Nvidia's optional watchdog chip does not in any way impinge upon your freedom to develop and test your own alternative.
The problem is that OpenAI has ostensibly neglected their duty to safety, so Nvidia is stepping in to fix it since they're the "hard problem" people.
But... it wasn't a hard problem to begin with. Pull the plug. Strip out the radios. Done. Oh, you can't make it work that way? Well, then just too bad because any kind of other solution is going to be equivalent to something far more complex than the halting problem.
replyNvidia can take those odds. Air gapping is not a realistic goal for the majority of these companies, and Nvidia isn't wrong for offering a turnkey mitigation option. People can do both, and whichever philosophy wins will win.
replyYou're only revealing your own inability to appreciate the nuance between these two situations.
replySo?
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