Note that the red area on the map in the article is Härjedalen, which has an area of 11,405 km^2, 1.1M hectares, 2.8M acres.
replyThe purchased forest (15k hectares, 37k acres) is therefore ~1.3% of the region.
Wow, that would make such a nice area to train (military) drones & robots, in the middle of a country concerned by "noisy neighbors" ... Wait.
replyThat’s a strange map in the article. It makes it looks like he’s bought all of Härjedalen, rather than two orders of magnitude less. It’s still a chunky piece of land, but it’s definitely not that big.
replyProbably as retaliation to SAAB.
replyI don't know exactly where the land is, but according to media it's south of Storsjö kapell [0]. There's plenty of fell there, and he can't just build whatever he wants even if he owns the land. When a billionaire says he spent $22 million to by it for recreation, I don't see a big reason to not believe him, there's not much else he can use it for.
replyIt's not far from Funäsdalen which is a relatively popular ski resort [1], there are also hiking trails and similar [2].
The seller SCA is Europe's biggest private forest owner and owns 2.7 million hectares by the way.
[0] https://maps.app.goo.gl/hQp2Rw9tM6kWTuTdA
[1] https://funasdalen.se/en/winter/skiing/cross-country-skiing/
He's a huge cross country skier so he probably wants his own little playground
replywhat's that meme about rich people just doing really rich stuff and not worrying about being some BS worldly image? yeah that.
replyWhy does it quote 37,000 acres, then show a picture with a large swath of Sweden highlighted as if that is the area purchased - though Sweden is approximately 111 million acres of land, so this would be 0.003% of the land, so nowhere near the representation in this picture - seem disingenuous to me.
reply$600/acre for timber forest???
replyI had no idea Sweden was this cheap. Why wouldn't he drop $22mm on this...
Considering where it is it might be protected from logging, so the economic value of the land might be low. The seller is a paper manufacturer, so if they could get more value from it they would have charged more.
replyIt is somewhat north. So I would expect potential income to be in line. Thus price can be relatively low and there still is not much profit.
replyPerhaps there's a reason Sweden wants him to have all of this land.
replyNo he can fuck off please
replyGuessing it's more expensive if you're buying less, otherwise I kinda want to buy 4 acres.
replyCheapest I can find in Härjedalen with at least 4 acres is this 70 acre plot for 400k SEK or 40.2k USD: https://www.hemnet.se/bostad/gard-harjedalens-kommun-overber...
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replyNothing to see here. There's no corruption in the civilized world, even less in Nordic countries which are maximally developed culturally and socially.
replyAi farm to be.. I suspect.
reply> Ai farm to be.. I suspect.
replyI suspect the opposite: a billionaire's escape from a potentially turbulent society.
Could be.. zillionaires usually like mountains; I hear he can't drive; driving the boonies far from civilization is not that easy in the winter. He needs to buy a big shovel for the winter.
reply>I hear he can't drive; driving the boonies far from civilization is not that easy in the winter. He needs to buy a big shovel for the winter.
replythat's what helicopters are for.
-zillionaires, probably
He needs a landing strip for an aircraft. Helicopters are dangerous at night. No uber eats delivery there. We will see. It will take a decade to set it up.
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replyor... just plain old land speculation?
reply> Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir Technologies, purchased 15,000 hectares (37,000 acres) of forest in Härjedalen, Sweden, for 235 million kronor ($22 million).
replySeems like he could buy all of Sweden's forests if he wanted to.
But would he still have Palantir? Also a large portion of thr forests are likely in public trust, and they'd be hesitant to sell all of it I'd think. Especially to one person with no track record of land management.
replyDo we know what the goal was? Was this to protect forest land? Similar to something like this? https://www.nicfi.no/2024/12/10/norway-strengthens-support-o...
replyBunker.
replyI mean, the first thing I did when I came into money was buy a couple thousand acres of land.
replyAssuming this is for conservation, it's hard to find reasons this is a bad thing.
replyThis is where he will build 50 silos
replyThey probably already have nano technology
replyHe's probably buying it so that he can ski through miles of virgin forest with his Norwegian bodyguards. I hate this weirdo but he's probably not going to do much to the landscape.
replyWeak reason given that Sweden has something called Allemansrätten.
replyLet's hope people will use it and invade his land whenever he visits.
replyThis is a quite far fetched assumption.
replyI can't recall anything he said or did in the last few years that would make me assume he's done something good for the general public (or the humanity), and not for himself first and foremost.
Why would Alex Karp randomly buy Swedish forest for conservation?
replySkiing. He arranges his life around Nordic skiing to an incredible degree.
replyI don't really know anything about skiing, but can you do that in a virgin old-growth forest?
replyIt's not far from a skiing resort.
replyhttps://funasdalen.se/en/winter/skiing/cross-country-skiing/
Yes. All you really need are paths. This is a bit of an overgeneralization since forests in different places have different growth habits, but many old growth forests have less underbrush. During the winter, these forests are pretty easy to navigate on Nordic skis. If he wants to skate instead of doing the classic stride, I’m sure he can afford to groom the paths. Grooming really just requires a fancy snowmobile.
replyPotentially. Depending on the style of skiing, you may only need a 2-3 ft wide pathway. That said, ski paths tend to be cleared of trees/large rocks and span about 10-15 feet wide.
replyWho said it's a virgin old-growth forest?
replyI too doubt it is actually old-growth. Probably industrial forest. Which means that there is plenty of space around most of the trees.
replyIt might not get to remain a virgin old-growth forest. If the Swedish logging companies can get away with it, he probably can, too.
replyIt still seems a bit strange
replyOk that makes a lot more sense
replyTrying to buy himself back into heaven, like Bill Gates did. We only have the article's quotation for evidence, but it does say:
reply> Karp made the purchase through his newly registered company Cladonia Skog AB. The chairman of Cladonia told the Swedish newspaper that the land provides valuable habitat for wildlife and space for recreation.
He plans to create a ground for hunting humans, a la "The Most Dangerous Game".
replyI wouldn't be surprised.
replyKarp strikes me as the type of person that would do this "for fun".
It is well known he loves to nordic ski
replyhttps://fortune.com/well/2023/02/03/billionaire-palantir-ceo...
What are your reasons for assuming that would be the motive of the Palantir founder?
replyWhy would you assume that?
replywhy the hell would you assume altruism of the man who takes pride in killing people with automations
replyagreed
replyMaybe he wants his own version of Nathan's estate in Ex Machina (redditor calculations from in-movie clues put it at 7 million hectares, though, so this isn't even close :-)
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