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upvoteby bendmorris4 hours ago|
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Read it yourself: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct/
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upvoteby sigmar4 hours ago|
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>If you use a chatbot to give you advice on a comment on the issue tracker, that comment is unwelcome.

>No LLMs for finding bugs.

>No talking about use of chatbot/LLM services.

I've said it before and I'll say it again- it's a cult that bans dissent

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upvoteby B4uler52 hours ago|
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The things you've quoted and your conclusion feel at odds. They just don't want AI contributions, and they, like a lot of the world, are bored of hearing about AI. Is it really too much to ask?
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upvoteby tolerance3 hours ago|
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> The Zig community is decentralized. Anyone is free to start and maintain their own community, which is not subject to these rules.
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upvoteby ternaryoperator3 hours ago|
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The second part affirms that it is centralized. There is nothing wrong with that except saying that because you can leave the community and go elsewhere, it is ipso facto decentralized.
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upvoteby tolerance1 hours ago|
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I figure they're either using a loose interpretation of "decentralized" or an honest interpretation of "community".
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upvoteby alexrp4 hours ago|
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For the record, there isn't even uniformity of thought on LLMs within the core team, let alone the broader Zig community.
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upvoteby sigmar4 hours ago|
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If there's an edict that no one is allowed to bring up the topic, how can someone change this part of the code of conduct?

Asking non-rhetorically. It seems like one position "ai in any circumstance = bad" is being enforced. The commenter above didn't even understand why he was ignored.

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upvoteby alexrp3 hours ago|
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> If there's an edict that no one is allowed to bring up the topic, how can someone change this part of the code of conduct?

To clarify, do you mean someone who isn't part of the core team?

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upvoteby kingcauchy2 hours ago|
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Interesting to hear! We maintain the project Antfly (entirely zig) and have been nervous about bringing issues to the zig folks or asking questions because of our ai usage.

We’re quite knowledgeable and thoughtful folks fwiw

I think I’ve seen you are a core team member or contributor? I remember your tag?

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upvoteby alexrp2 hours ago|
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We simply ask that Zig bug reports be written by humans, for humans. Whether you use LLMs on your project is immaterial to us.

Yes, I'm a core team member.

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upvoteby kingcauchy1 hours ago|
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Thanks for the clarification here!

So for instance because of the size of our codebase our project has pushed Zig to some of the edges, specifically we end up hitting a bug when using llvm and zig on arm64 (Mac and Linux) where it seems to be caused by some configuration Zig passes through to LLVM. I’ve used codex and claude to help me diagnose and find the bug (we use nix’s glibc zig to circumvent the problem now). I now understand the root cause but am not sure what the proper fix would be. But I’ve not known whether or not even raising the issue would break the terms of contributing? Would raising the issue break the implicit agreement?

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upvoteby kingcauchy2 hours ago|
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I’ve not found the zig folks to ban dissent, they engage in a lot of thoughtful dialog. Just because they’ve made a different decision for how they take contributions than other people agree with doesn’t make them a cult?
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upvoteby jibalt4 hours ago|
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Yes ... pretty damn stupid.
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upvoteby cabaalis3 hours ago|
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"NO LLMs for finding bugs" is easier written as "Don't use the tools your adversaries will"

I've written code a long time and that's probably the dumbest rule I've seen.

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