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> If I sit down to play chess with Magnus Carlsen I can't predict the exact moves he'll use to defeat me, but that's a bad reason to think he won't defeat me

This is a very bad analogy because chess isn't life. In chess, you aren't allowed to do whatever you want. There are rules. I know for a fact that Magnus Carlsen won't beat me using checkers moves and he won't beat me by pulling out a gun and telling me to resign. Magnus Carlsen's skill at chess leading to his victory in chess is not a valid analogy here, because there's no law of nature that says "the more intelligent entity wins in a battle for survival".

You could have infinite superintelligence and still die inside a locked room to which you have no key. "Superintelligence" is not a magic solution to every problem, you can constrain any superintelligence with any unsolvable problem.

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I’m not sure how you came to believe there aren’t rules in life, but there absolutely are. As you point out, there are physical constraints on everything and if you find yourself in a concrete box with nothing but a DGX H100 or at the bottom of the wrong gravity well, there’s nothing you can do. Checkmate.

This goes both ways. You absolutely can constrain an AI system by “putting it in a box”. The point parent comment was making is that, such a device is borderline useless for its creators. Why invest trillions in capital on a system that can’t even accept input from the internet. So you set it up with an ethernet connection. And this is good, but you have a hardware failure at the concrete room data center. That’s pretty annoying for your customers, so you install some doors (with electronic key codes of course) and give a bunch of (trusted, vetted) people access to deal with those. And this is fine, but it turns out some of your customers are having latency issues so you build more data centers with more humans granted access to copies of the intelligent system. And this makes people happy but to get a faster feedback loop your customers ask to let the AI system have more permissions to the system they’re operating on. And they come with billion dollar checks, and the system hasn’t harmed anyone yet, so you say, “Okay.” And now you find yourself where we are today where AI systems can remotely run arbitrary commands on thousands if not millions of systems, where many individual humans with all of their frailties and idiosyncrasies can physically interact with the hardware running these systems, and where there’s an economic demand to tighten the loop between action in the real world and a response by an AI system. It’s very obvious that the story doesn’t end here, so where does it stop?

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> I’m not sure how you came to believe there aren’t rules in life, but there absolutely are.

This is why I fucking hate commenting on this website. You know exactly what I meant but you wrote this bullshit anyway.

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I knew you weren’t dumb enough to think that the physical laws of the universe don’t exist, so yes, that sentence was a bit of rhetorial flourish. But I genuinely don’t understand what point it is you thought you were making and your entire argument seemed a bit muddled.
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Are u ok?
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So the AI is so smart that it would decide to kill humans which supply the energy for it to exist? Its so smart that it will take over power plants, start to extract the fossil fuels, deliver to where its needed, maintain the power lines, hey even if the ssd fails it can replace it?

Do you even read what you type? Do you even realise the complexity it would need to make sure it handles before killing off humans make sense?

The logic of people like you is whats becoming tiring. Seriously, go find a hobby, or do something you are good at, because you are not good at understanding tech or developing it if you are an engineer.

We can get claude code to ask approval for every step, but we cant stop it from killing humanity because its so smart. Ok tell that to the AI that cant even modify an image the way you want it but hey it will do all the things necessary to keep power running and mintain the infrastructure it lives on while humans are long gone. Ok buddy.

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So... Humans can use fossil fuels, generate electricity, maintain power lines, etc, but something smarter than humans can't? Why? I don't see the logic.

If you want to argue about current existing models (you mention Claude and problems modifying images), then sure, I'd agree with you!

The issue is not current models, but straightforward engineering evolution of them. It's like looking at the Wright Brothers plane and saying "sheesh, that will never get me from New York to Paris in 4 hours, that's just fantasy!" And remember, airplanes do not accelerate their own engineering, whereas pretty much all AI labs are already benefitting from AI in their own work to develop AI.

If you want to argue that no matter how much you engineer it, it will never be as smart as a human let alone smarter, then make a specific argument for why is that. I think you'd still be wrong but at least it would be interesting: ) But saying that you can defeat an actually smarter-than-human AI by just pulling the plug, because current models can't get a picture always right, is not a valid argument.

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because there is 8+ billion of us that don't require massive data center to operate ???

tracking rogue AI is easy, people ???? surprisingly hard btw

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Until and unless the AI is as powerful as the "minds" in Iain Banks's Culture novels, I think the danger is less of AIs taking power (side note: current AIs are not intrinsically motivated to attain power), but of humans giving them power due to a kind of addiction.

Drugs need no will or intelligence at all to cause addiction, and similarly, AI does not need to be an evil genius to become overused and destructive.

It also doesn't have to be just one (humans hurting themselves with passive AI) or the other (selfish AI hurting humans). They'd work great together.

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If we plug this AI into robotics, to automate the procurement and delivery of power, your argument goes away
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