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Hmmm, which political party is famously against solar and renewables in general?
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The same one that is paying for their support for data centers and is shifting as a response [1]. Like I said, if political capital is being spent shifting peoples' stances, how much of a waste is it to know we could move them on this and we chose not to. Generational fumble.

[1]: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/6121776-gop-worried-data...

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China are also building tons of coal plants.
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What about water usage?
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For most datacenters the actual largest source of water use is indirectly from power generation (coal, nat gas). Solar reduces that a lot also.
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Funny how nobody asks the folks who build golf courses "what about water usage?"

hint: An individual 18-hole course uses between 300,000 to 1 million gallons per day

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I think people actually do though? They are even sabotaged at times (has happened in Europe at least), to protest against their water usage.
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I’ve seen it brought up many times
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Rather than talking in absolute numbers, ratios help relate human activities better, an example:

If we can close 1 in 3 golf courses and have all the water we need for data centers - and then some - would that be acceptable to our society?

Do we desire so much golf that we'd prefer to stress our water systems instead?

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The water isn’t actually used. It is slightly warmed.
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In some cases chemicals are added to the water to increase cooling efficiency.

This is a choice, alternative approaches do exist but we should definitely not assume that datacenter water usage is _always_ benign.

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Most data centers are closed loop systems, they circulate the water over and over again.

You understand, the water isn't used up? It's not even used up in agriculture. Even when you drink a glass of water, the water doesn't actually disappear, soon someone else will be drinking it. The same water that was on the earth when the dinosaurs walked the planet is still on the earth today. No need to panic about someone using water.

The only reason to be concerned is if someone is mixing the water with other chemicals at a rate faster than the natural filtration and then not paying for the treatment to purify the water again. But that is not an issue with data centers. Merely using water is a concern only for people who don't understand how matter is preserved, but a school physics book should dispel those concerns.

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Sure the water is still somewhere, but its location is important for future use. US water reservoirs are at problematically low levels already.

> Most data centers are closed loop systems, they circulate the water over and over again.

The linked article talks about >500 million gallons used by one large Google AI datacenter in a year. It's nice that most are closed loop systems, but if it's such a common thing to do then why isn't it done by default with all those AI datacenters? How cheap is water for Google that recirculating it is not a no-brainer?

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> It's not even used up in agriculture.

However, the source of the water can be "used up" faster than it can be replenished, such as in the case of some aquifers

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That’s not entirely correct. Overall water is preserved but local sources of freshwater can be depleted or contaminated, which raises the cost of water.
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