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Just be careful with the 8 because their motherboards tend to randomly fry themselves - both me and a friend had this happen around 2 years into owning ours and there are a decent number of people online with the same issue. Switched to the 10a on sale right before the price hike and man I'm glad I did. It'll probably be the last great Pixel if hardware costs keep getting worse and Google keeps shoving Gemini down everyone's throats.
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My Pixel 8 failed with the exact failure mode (supposedly) covered by an extended warranty [0] program after owning it for 18 months. I had a very frustrating back and forth with Google support and in the end they refused to fix it under warranty because it wasn't manufactured in a specific batch.

Flagship phone turned into a useless device after 18 months of ownership due to a manufacturing issue and I've got no recourse. I'm done with Pixel and Google in general.

[0] https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/15009955?hl=en

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I had this happen twice with pixel 5a's as well. Older, but just to say I'm not sure this is limited to the 8 line. One of them literally just died in my hand and was unfixable.
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I swear every Pixel model people write "well it's a good smartphone minus the 'kills itself for no reason' bug".
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Is this still an issue? I left android after my Pixel 2 killed itself randomly.
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Yep, I got a 10 and the fingerprint sensor broke after a day. Pretty fortunately I got a refund with no return so I can't complain.

My 9 has had no hardware issues besides the designed ones.

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So just use it until the motherboard dies, why switch before it dies?
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Just off the dome:

- Suddenly being without a phone while you're travelling or dealing with something important is generally not fun

- Anything stored locally that isn't backed up is gone

- You can't transfer over your eSIM yourself

- Probably going to be a pain in the ass to get into accounts where the now brick was set up for 2FA

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If you're worried about things like this you should probably switch to a physical sim and just earmark some money so you can buy a new phone when it happens and transfer the sim. Maybe get some yubikeys while you're at it.

Anything complex enough to get over the air updates could lose its trustworthiness at any time. If a device is going to contain your digital soul, it should be simple and pluggable.

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I use an eSim adaptor in my physical sim slot. You can then transfer eSims effortlessly between phones. This seems the obvious solution to get the best of both worlds - all the good things about eSims, none of the bad.
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I do still use a physical SIM but I'm sure we're all on borrowed time. The last 3 generations of iPhones don't have a SIM tray at all in the US.
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> The last 3 generations of iPhones don't have a SIM tray at all in the US.

Another good reason not to buy an iPhone. As if there weren't enough good reasons already.

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Yeah I'm sure Android manufacturers aren't gonna follow suit, just like how they all have headphone jacks still right?
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Many of them do have a headphone jack, still. If you're the sort of person that wants hardware options, Android has 'em.
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If you want options, you go Android

If you want something good and reliable, you go iPhone

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> If you want something good and reliable, you go iPhone

Unless by "good" you mean being able to install software without Apple's blessing. Or send files to and from the device without iTunes or other similar monstrosity.

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All the same applies if your phone is stolen…or lost…or seized at the airport.

Devices need to be considered disposable. Expensive but disposable.

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Okay but I try to prevent any of those things from happening, unlike the suggestion to use your phone with a high rate of failure until it dies.
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All of those things are possibilities with any phone. If you're not prepared for the loss/damage/failure of your phone that's on you.
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Definitely a good idea to plan on this at all times. In my case this looks like:

* All photos auto upload to Google photos

* All other important files are in a syncthing folder with at least two other devices (laptop+desktop)

* 2fa in Authy with cloud-sync

* Passwords on Firefox sync

* Google Fi is my carrier, and pulls eSIM when I log in to the app even without my old phone

* Google voice number is my main phone number. I don't lose access to incoming or outgoing sms or voice calls if I lose my phone.

In a pinch, I can buy a cheap prepaid phone and sim while traveling and be fully functional and reachable. I've had to do this before, and while I probably wouldn't go to the trouble for work, I feel compelled to be at least reachable for family.

I've thought about de-googling this further; photos could go straight into syncthing and I could port my # to a generic SIP provider that offers SMS. So far neither have seemed quite worth the trouble.

I've always felt very uncomfortable treating my phone as anything other than a rather overpowered thin-client.

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Yubikeys can store 2fa codes. You just install their app from F-Droid and show the NFC key to get the codes.

Now the codes are with you and not in your phone or in the cloud.

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One flaw in that is that Google Voice or other VOIP provider numbers are often rejected for 2FA or account validation.
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Sometimes, yes, but not that often IME. Maybe 10-15% of the time.
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I recommend you get off Authy - they don't have a browser extension or a desktop client, and surprise they don't have a way to export your codes either. I had to send them a GDPR data request, and then Claude decrypted the csv file they sent. I now use Ente and it's so nice having 2fa inside a browser extension. I can also export the secrets at will.
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Keepass is also a good alternative to Authy, caveat being you need some way to sync the db file between devices.

I personally use Keepass for 2FA, Bitwarden for passwords. It's worked great for me so far, and I expect to stay with this setup for the foreseeable future.

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Yes but I don't want my phone to be lost or destroyed or stolen. So using a phone that will likely fail until it does so is not taking preventative measures.
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They are stronger possibilities once you know they are going to happen eventually, not just that they could theoretically happen.
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I fried my 8 pro wifi but I attributed it to listening to it inside my shower where it would get the full force of steam damage. So at least on my part I can admit that was a mistake.
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> Just be careful with the 8

Don't forget the notorious vertical pink line issue! Luckily that had (has?) an extended warranty programme.

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My Pixel 8 failed with the exact failure mode (supposedly) covered by that extended warranty [0] program after owning it for 18 months. I had a very frustrating back and forth with Google support and in the end they refused to fix it under warranty because it wasn't manufactured in a specific batch.

Flagship phone turned into a useless device after 18 months of ownership due to a manufacturing issue and I've got no recourse. I'm done with Pixel and Google in general.

[0] https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/15009955?hl=en

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Wow, that's shitty. There's certainly plenty of company in the 'never buying a Pixel again' crowd.

I've not heard anything good about Google's support in general.

Their partner repair company which did my screen replacement tried to refuse because it was running GOS - had to use all my charm to convince her to do it.

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I had an 8 Pro and it had a fantastic run, and it was probably the best phone I ever had until I upgraded to the 10 Pro.

Sadly I never, ever put the 8 Pro in any case or protective shell, and the damage of repeated minor drops took its toll. The screen was just cracked a tiny bit around the corners, but eventually the upper-right corner began a creeping black amoeba of darkness, and finally the entire touchscreen became unreliable, I suppose due to that damage, so I decided to bail out. Repairs were exorbitant so I decided to take Google's own trade-in deal.

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I have Pixel 9a and considered Pixel 10 for a while, but seeing Pixel 11 show up with absurdly microscopic improvements over 10 made me realize, that this smartphone line is just a solved problem since years ago.
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Is there a point in changing a phone so often if it's not broken?
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I know it's not really an argument, but I tend to change my devices also every 2-3 years, just so I can pass the "old" one to my less technical family.
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Att offered such good trade in rates for my phone that it’s been effectively free to upgrade to the last two generations.
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I hear people say things like this about phones, laptops and cars, but anecdotally I have never once seen any sort of trade-in offer, and only rarely and arguably on any kind of lease or lease-to-buy arrangement, where I would consider that even remotely true.
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T-Mobile recently had a trade-in promotion where you could trade in any phone and get a pixel 10 for "free". The free is in quotes because what actually happens is you get signed up for device financing which spreads the cost of the phone over 2 years, and then they give your account a credit each month for the same amount charged by the device financing. So they'll end up charging you $33 per month and crediting you $33 per month, resulting in the phone actually being free. The catch is it locks you into 2 years on T-Mobile because if you cancel the account or pay off the phone early, you forfeit all the remaining credits.

Since it was free and I had no plans on leaving T-Mobile in the following 2 years, I went ahead and did the trade-in with an old Pixel 3a. What I didn't realize is since the phone is on a payment plan, the phone is not only carrier-locked (which would be fine) but also bootloader-locked until the end of those 2 years, so I cannot install GrapheneOS on it until ~2028. My free pixel 10 is sitting in its box gathering dust until 2028.

Here is a reddit thread discussing the trade-in promo as proof that it existed: https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/1r0by30/pixel_10_f...

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it's not free because it's priced into the phone plan (phone plan price is jacked up), unless you got grandfathered in w/ a good rate.
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Plus externalities. Producing things is never "free", even if the manufacturer were a charity and, you're right, they're not
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Or even Google itself. I got a 150€ trade in rebate for an iPhone 8 with a cracked screen.
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Whaaa? It gives me £65 even on an iPhone 12 in good condition. £50 for an 8 Plus. Same amount for 11 Pro or 10a

£50 for the 8 Plus isn't too bad though

(€150 = £127)

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Well, back then when the Pixel 7a had just come out. So comparable to an iPhone 11 now
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Oh I thought you meant recently. My bad
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Same thing here, I will keep my 10a for the foreseeable figure. It's unclear if future Pixels will support GOS at all, and the new Motorola is almost certainly going to be a $1000+ phone. Hopefully mid-range models will follow. I don't need a huge, expensive phone with five cameras.
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Yeah, I've got a 10 Pro, jumped up from an 8. Looked briefly at upgrading to the 11 but it's clearly not worth it.
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Huh, good point. I wonder if this is the beginning of the end of constant phone upgrades. It used to be that new phones had much better hardware, so software that was only tested on new phones would make an older phone grind to a halt. But if the upgrades are much more incremental, perhaps a phone will last a lot longer?
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The people who I knew that upgraded every 2 years stopped doing that nearly ten years ago now. Smartphones barely get better, why get a 49€/month contract when you can get one for 15€ instead and not have to migrate phones every two years upon contract renewal when the new phones aren't significantly better anyway?
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My Pixel 3 is still going strong! :)
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I loved my 4a, but broke a couple due to water infiltration in rainy conditions. Modern phones are resistant to water which is a nice improvement.
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I tend to "upgrade" to the previous release, I always got them as their stocks dwindle and their prices are low. Did this with the last nexus, pixel 6, 7, and now I got a pixel 9 from work so the pattern is broken.
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The Pixel 10 Pro is even fairly cheap in many countries if you can live with 128GB storage and the base model still has 16GB RAM.
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The only reason to update from my pixel 7 is to get more storage. Otherwise a perfect phone
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To be fair, the trade in offers are larger this year than during P10 release window, at least where I live. So I was able to go from 10 Pro 16/256 to 11P 16/512 for something like 650 eur. It's a great deal IMHO as the SoC + modem combo is at least 30 to 40% more efficient. The phone runs faster, cooler and I don't have the battery anxiety that I got after 10 Pro.

I used the OP15 in the meantime and its ram management and (ironically enough) performance in day to day apps was somehow much worse. It unloaded apps, skipped notifications, apps took longer to open. Google have put in a lot of work into software ahead of the rampocalipse.

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I'm not wanting to dispute or tell somebody what to spend their money on. I see this take a lot on reddit especially.

You bought arguably the same phone with marginal gains to CPU score and a little better battery. Paying €650 for that privaledge doesn't seem like a great deal to me...

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Summed over all phones I've ever bought, I don't think I've spent €650.
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why upgrade every 3 years when there are 7 years of updates?
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I get new phones and computers from my company every 3 years, I don't even bother upgrading so often. The improvements aren't even worth me spending a few hours to set up and migrate data.
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I never thought about it like that, damn.
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I dropped my Pixel 8 and replaced it with a Pixel 10a. I'm perfectly happy and the lack of a camera bump is awesome. I don't intend to upgrade for quite some time.
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