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I’d rather have one European AI lab like Mistral, with the financial firepower and compute to pretrain its own large models, than 20 weak labs that fine-tune Chinese models.

AI needs big bucks, and Mistral is Europe’s Anthropic.

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upvoteby idbnstra7 hours ago|
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just curious, how do we know that le chonk isn't just a fine-tuned chinese model? and/or distilled from US models?
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upvoteby rahen7 hours ago|
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It's in the announcement: "ML4 was trained from scratch on 3,800 NVIDIA Grace Blackwell GPUs in Mistral’s own datacenters in Europe".

https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-large-4/

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upvoteby Iolaum7 hours ago|
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Once it's open weight people will be able to inspect and compare it's tokenizer, architecture etc and tell.
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upvoteby ismailmaj5 hours ago|
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it's extremely unlikely that they re-use anything from a chinese model, that would be obvious quickly, what's more likely is using documents produced by a better model to create synthetic data.
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upvoteby karp7732 hours ago|
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It would not take them so long to train it. Their pace would be closer to the Chinese models.
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upvoteby alpineman9 hours ago|
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Two is enough for foundation models, these guys and Aleph Alpha. The gap is closing.
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upvoteby spiderfarmer9 hours ago|
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> Europe needs a lot of these.

Europe needs profitable AI companies, not money pits.

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upvoteby fancyfredbot8 hours ago|
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The US has made sure that Mistral has a large market in the EU by temporarily preventing non citizens from accessing Fable.

A lot of European companies now want a model the US can't cut off, but also lack trust in Chinese models.

Some of these will self host Mistral but most will pay them by the token. It's not going to be a huge market or a huge margin within that market but probably it'll be enough.

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upvoteby jonkoops9 hours ago|
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This is the exact mentality that makes the EU fall behind. If you don't want to invest in something until it makes a profit, you don't get the benefits of being a pioneer.
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upvoteby koe1238 hours ago|
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Look at the size of our capital markets. That is a suicidal strategy. We dont have to mimic US.
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upvoteby jonkoops7 hours ago|
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There is plenty of capital, it is just not flowing.
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upvoteby spiderfarmer2 hours ago|
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Like Sam Altman, you seem convinced AI is a winner takes all kind off technology. Can you explain why?
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upvoteby Marha018 hours ago|
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> Europe needs profitable AI companies, not money pits.

AI is a strategic technology with obvious national security implications. EU should invest in its development whether it's currently profitable or not.

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upvoteby spiderfarmer2 hours ago|
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Ah, national security. The end-all argument all Americans fall for.

How did Claude and OpenAI make the USA safer?

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upvoteby WinstonSmith849 hours ago|
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there are no profitable AI companies at the moment ... This is the exact problem of European startups, trying to make them profitable from day 1 while American counterparts (and Chinese) keep bleeding money for years. Europe will never have a Tesla, a Google or an Amazon with that mindset.
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upvoteby mopsi8 hours ago|
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  > Europe will never have a Tesla, a Google or an Amazon with that mindset.
Great companies, if you have a fetish for peeing into a bottle.
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upvoteby fancyfredbot8 hours ago|
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Pithy, but only really applicable to Amazon. I'll give you some tips for future attacks.

I'm not actually sure Tesla is a great company from any perspective so should be easy to find another sick burn for them.

Google is going to be a little more difficult. Maybe say something nasty about advertising? Or go for the monopoly angle.

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upvoteby mopsi8 hours ago|
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Google treats its customers the same way as Amazon treats its employees. Any sane person stays away from its services because a bot can close an account for no reason, and there will be no recourse. A total shit company, like some illegal IPTV provider: no accountability, and when the service disappears, you have nobody to turn to.
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upvoteby zkmon8 hours ago|
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Very true. Experienced it. Any appeal is like talking to a blackhole.
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upvoteby TomJansen8 hours ago|
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Name 1 AI company that is profitable, and no Meta and Google are not AI companies
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upvoteby dmje9 hours ago|
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Like the US!

…oh…wait…

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upvoteby rvz8 hours ago|
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You have to thank the US investors who funded Mistral from the very beginning.

Mistral would have gotten a tiny and measly "EU grant" and ASML would never have invested later had it not been for the US VCs.

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upvoteby layer86 hours ago|
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Kudos to the US investors for being such selfless benevolent charities.
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upvoteby 60pfennig8 hours ago|
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thank you for this and all the other great gifts the US and its companies have given to the world! we all love the us!
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upvoteby danny_codes7 hours ago|
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Forgot your /s
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upvoteby gregorygoc5 hours ago|
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Ah yes. Let’s thank the might US for providing pesky Europeans capital a fistful of dollars. But maybe let’s do it after Americans thank for Russian, Arabian, Chinese, European capital and workforce. After all this is what “Made in the USA” means.
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