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by throwa3562629 hours ago |
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upvoteby dataviz10008 hours ago|
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SpaceX has been awarded roughly $22 billion to nearly $30 billion in cumulative public federal contracts, the $280 billion CHIP act, and who knows how much the CIA + NSA are spending.
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upvoteby philipallstar7 hours ago|
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Awarded that for doing work, though, not to clone someone else's work and release it for less money.
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upvoteby throwa3562627 hours ago|
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I think this is different for different labs. Some innovate while others copy.

Same goes for US labs, not everyone are as innovative as google deepmind:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2026/04/30/elo...

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upvoteby dataviz10007 hours ago|
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> not to clone someone else's work

Ironically your comment will be cloned and used for training.

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upvoteby ta202405287 hours ago|
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Whose work on KV-cache reduction did Deepskeep clone? Please be specific.
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upvoteby deaux6 hours ago|
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> Awarded that for doing work, though

Yes, just that. Being a huge supporter of the regime - at a time running a department - surely has nothing to do with it.

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upvoteby Implicated6 hours ago|
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> not to clone someone else's work and release it for less money.

... You're saying this about _deepseek_?

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upvoteby lnxg33k15 hours ago|
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You see why there are so many conspiracy theories about US landing on the moon, one is left wondering how is it possible that a countries of such retards did something like that
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upvoteby 50or058 hours ago|
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I'm pretty sure, the training/fine tune through Claude/OpenAi would not be possible without the army/China's hacking teams (and legal protection). So it's more than just a cheap electricity.

Supporting deepseek is just like supporting the Chinese army, no need for that. Though it goes both ways, OpenAi subscription just lowers the cost of the US army as well.

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upvoteby ndriscoll8 hours ago|
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Sorry, are you saying that it's a subsidy that it's legal for them to distill other models, or what? It's not even clear that there's any kind of protection for models in Western countries. Why would they be worried about the legality of distillation? And what does the army have to do with distilling models? Like you're saying it's a subsidy that China protects their borders from invasion by the US?

It's not a subsidy for the Chinese to say they're going to ignore our IP laws. It's a subsidy for us to say we're going to make them and try to push them on the world. It's literally granting a monopoly by legal force. It's very obviously not aligned with the interests of the American people, while China releasing things in the open is.

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upvoteby ismael_rr8 hours ago|
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Same with the US legal system protecting Anthropic from copyright laws from all the books and other stuff used for pretraining...
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upvoteby IOT_Apprentice7 hours ago|
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upvoteby sys327687 hours ago|
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China also has a very "rational" approach to dissidents, Tibetan activists, Uyghurs, Hong Kong pro-democracy activists, and Taiwan.
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upvoteby Danox6 hours ago|
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In the US, it’s only a matter of time before El Presidente decides to take away those reservations from the Indians and sell them off and the same goes for Camp Pendleton in Taco’s favorite American state.
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upvoteby metobehonest8 hours ago|
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>Supporting deepseek is just like supporting the Chinese army

Good, where do I sign up? At least they aren't exploding little children and generating chaos in the oil market.

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/anthropi...

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upvoteby stickfigure7 hours ago|
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I want you to come here and apologize in public when Xi starts bombing Taiwan like he's promising.
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upvoteby Danox6 hours ago|
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I want the current president who has lost his mind to apologize to two California cities.
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upvoteby metobehonest6 hours ago|
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As bad as casualties get in a future war like that, it's still very likely to be a symmetric war where the main targets are military infrastructure. No systematic annihilation of universities, hospitals, religious sites, journalists and health workers like certain genocidal regimes backed by the tech oligarchies have been doing.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/06/israeli-atta...

https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/unesco-presents-assessmen...

I want you to publicly say that this turtle biologist and this journalist are Hamas: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/20/mona-khalil-tu... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/23/lebanon-journa...

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upvoteby novaRom6 hours ago|
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When one player tries to monopolize AI tech and market by all means, others are those who don't want to be hooked to a foreign will in the future. I think this is the reason in doing open research, and it's likely positive for all of us.
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upvoteby parineum8 hours ago|
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> I think the Chinese government is backing their labs by less direct means.

It may be that the effect of the backing in both places is essentially equal but this statement is strange. The Chinese government invests directly in Deepseek[1]. Notice the article, in addition to saying the CCP is investing, says Tencent is also a major backer. CCP owns a golden share of Tencent.

[1]https://www.cnbc.com/2026/10/06/deepseek-funding-round.html

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upvoteby atwrk8 hours ago|
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Ok, but Trump stated that the US is in active talks to take over parts of both OpenAI and Anthropic, too: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/05/trump-open-ai-altman-stake.h...
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upvoteby parineum6 hours ago|
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I'm not arguing about a comparison here. I'm trying to correct a misconception about China that I see a lot from Western perspectives.

Everything a Chinese company does has the explicit backing of the CCP, at least ideologically and usually financially in some fashion. While DeepSeek may not be the CCP, it couldn't exist if it was expressing any kind of ideology that wasn't inline with them and, in this case, is explicitly funded by them.

A Chinese company has no freedom to say Taiwan is a country the way someone in the US could suggest California succeed from the nation.

Any public message you hear coming out of China has the implicit approval of the Chinese government.

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upvoteby pyrale6 hours ago|
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I would like to point out that a lawsuit is currently live about the us govt forcing US tech companies to retaliate against us citizen criticizing the govt’s policy.
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upvoteby Danox6 hours ago|
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Well, there was one happy audience in Nebraska with the blessing of El Presidente that was happy if two California cities get the shaft.
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upvoteby deaux6 hours ago|
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> Everything a Chinese company does has the explicit backing of the CCP, at least ideologically and usually financially in some fashion.

If you're not arguing about comparison then don't state this as if it's any different from the US. Because you make it sound that way. Or do you think that if tomorrow OpenAI came out vocally supporting the DSA - that suddenly they wouldn't see lots of barriers rise up out of nowhere?

Come on now. That's fairy tale land.

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