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by ch4s38 hours ago |
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upvoteby lpil7 hours ago|
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I think a Rust programmer is more likely to prefer Gleam to Elixir, but I don't think there is much link between Gleam and Rust, and I especially do not thing that Gleam should only be considered over Elixir if you are already a Rust programmer.
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upvoteby ch4s37 hours ago|
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So I said:

> I'd say if you know and like Rust, then Gleam should be easy to pick up

And you think that:

> a Rust programmer is more likely to prefer Gleam to Elixir

Are we maybe splitting hairs here?

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upvoteby trenchgun7 hours ago|
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You said: >I'd say if you know and like Rust, then Gleam should be easy to pick up but otherwise I'd try Elixir.

This is way too strong and narrow statement. Gleam is statically typed garbage collected language, closer to OCaml than Rust. Elixir if you like dynamically typed instead.

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upvoteby benzible6 hours ago|
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Obligatory comment that elixir is now gradually typed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48388324
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upvoteby tasuki3 hours ago|
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Tbh gradual typing sounds like a nightmare. Probably impossible to implement correctly, whatever your definition of "correctly".
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upvoteby josevalim1 hours ago|
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Nah, the gradual angle is not what makes a type system tricky to implement. Plus we have published a few papers discussing how we are typing Elixir and how our approach is sound.
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upvoteby lpil7 hours ago|
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It's very possible that I'm misunderstanding you! I'm mostly just saying that Gleam is very unlike Rust, so if you pick it or avoid it for Rust related reasons you may not be making the most informed decision.

The languages that Gleam is most like might be Standard ML, OCaml, Elm, and F#.

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upvoteby cweagans6 hours ago|
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You seem to be interpreting the statements as technical comparisons of the languages, but ch4s3 was (by my read) commenting on the overall ability of a programmer to jump from one language to another.

That is: they aren't similar languages on a technical level, but if you know Rust, you should be able to make the jump to Gleam pretty quickly.

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upvoteby lpil6 hours ago|
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Aye, I am saying that jumping from Rust to Gleam isn't easy because the languages are so different. "How do I do X in Gleam like I would in Rust" is one of the most common categories of support question from newcomers who assumed they were similar.

It can take a moment to understand that things are done quite differently in the two languages due to being so different: https://gleam.run/frequently-asked-questions/#How-does-Gleam...

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upvoteby bmitc6 hours ago|
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> The languages that Gleam is most like might be Standard ML, OCaml, Elm, and F#.

And guess which languages inspired several things in Rust.

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upvoteby lpil6 hours ago|
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The ML family clearly inspired Rust greatly, but the end result is very different.
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upvoteby innocentoldguy1 hours ago|
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I use Rust and prefer Elixir over Gleam because Elixir has Lisp-style macros (Gleam doesn't), uses OTP directly, has the fantastic IEx REPL (Gleam has no counterpart), and has Phoenix, the best web framework I've ever used.
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upvoteby lpil1 hours ago|
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Yes, exactly my point! Being a Rust user doesn’t mean you are going to prefer or even understand Gleam.
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