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> HN struggles with truth-seeking on these topics.

The facts are much more nuanced than how you're presenting them here.

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What’s the nuance? Two researchers alleged theft. OpenAI investigated and confirmed that their research was not in the model’s training data. The world decided to take the first part as objective truth and ignored the second.
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> OpenAI investigated and confirmed that their research was not in the model’s training data.

You mean when they say it was impossible to confirm anything but one day after it was 100% confirmed that there was no theft? And here I'm not even talking about all the ethical problems related to trying to scoop another group when you hear they're close to success, or how current solutions follow extremely closely human-generated ideas, or about the lack of relevant citations in OpenAI's paper.

Believing that OpenAI's claims have any substance cannot be explained by naivety alone.

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They didn't try to scoop another group; they thought the other group had already solved it, so maybe their latest model could take a shot too... and the model solved the full problem when the other group had not! They found out after the fact that the other group had only solved an important sub-problem.

This was a low-key hilarious replay of George Dantzig and his homework problems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Dantzig

The controversy was whether they had plagiarised that other work on the sub-problem, which they categorically denied after an investigation. And yes, a few days to investigate something like this is reasonable for a company as big as OpenAI. Having seen how data infra is set up when petabytes of data are flowing about, there are thousands of entwined data pipelines to figure out. Not quite as easy as running a query on a sqlite DB!

> Believing that OpenAI's claims have any substance cannot be explained by naivety alone.

Yes, they could be explained by a GitHub repo full of proofs :-)

Or are you suggesting there were hundreds of researchers who just happened to be close to solving hundreds of these long standing open problems using Codex, and OpenAI swooped in plagiarized them all? ;-)

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glad you could present those facts in your comment, i know the HN character limit can make it hard
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Can you show where it was discounted? Last I heard OpenAI was declining to deny it, presumably while they thoroughly confirmed.
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> “Following an investigation, we have confirmed that Buckmaster’s Codex prompts over the two months preceding this announcement and paper on September 8, 2026, could not have influenced the system in any way, including through training.”

https://openai.com/index/navier-stokes-solution/

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Come on, they were working on this for more than 2 months. Dont fall for the corporate half truths.
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Buckmaster himself said essentially all the progress they made was from July 15th onwards (with a new model on the problem) with no real progress prior to then.

I think it’s really cope to claim this was a human result being stolen.

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I really don't get how people are still continuing with this "stolen results" narrative after today. Like NS was kinda insignificant compared to treasure trove they released now, thinking that the LLM needs to "steal" from some human is simply coping.
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After reading your comment one could even think that LLM's invented math from the ground up.
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HackerNews does love a good conspiracy theory.
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