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by charlesabarnes4 hours ago |
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upvoteby thepasch4 hours ago|
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This is them sneaking in taking the Claude Agent SDK (claude -p) off of subscription plans through the back door along with a model release. They previously wanted to do this in June, but backpedaled after huge backlash:

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...

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upvoteby luketaylor13 minutes ago|
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Sorry that that help center article was misleading; we’ve updated it to clarify that `claude -p` has not been removed from subscriptions as part of this change!
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upvoteby thepasch8 minutes ago|
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That's super encouraging to hear, thank you for the clarification! I'd edit my original comment, but the edit window has unfortunately run out on it. Should be OK, though, since the help desk page is now explicit about it.
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upvoteby tekacs3 hours ago|
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I hope people notice again that this is happening this time around.

Being forced through the non-OSS Claude Code with all of its quirks and issues is... such an exhausting use of force by Anthropic.

To the extent that you _can_ choose to disable telemetry and training on your traces in CC, it's not all that obvious what they gain by crippling your ability to use the subscription with other – better – tools.

It's also remarkable that it's coincident with OpenAI adding "Sign in with OpenAI", so that you can use your tokens with other tools.

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upvoteby eli2 hours ago|
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The page does not say anything about changing the way Agent SDK bills. I just tested Agent SDK and nothing has changed (yet).

You might be right and they will change this in the future, but that's speculative

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upvoteby thepasch2 hours ago|
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> Claude Max and Team plans now include monthly API credits, which cover the Claude Agent SDK, the Claude API, and Claude Managed Agents.

This text has replaced the entirety of the page called "Use the Claude Agent SDK with your Claude plan."

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upvoteby eli2 hours ago|
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Yes. Previously the page was all about how they were going to start charging for Agent SDK use with a banner on the top saying that, actually, they weren't going to do that.
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upvoteby thepasch2 hours ago|
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...yes, a banner which has also now disappeared and been replaced, with the explicit mention that API credits "cover the Claude Agent SDK"?

What more do you need?

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upvoteby eli2 hours ago|
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Well, it doesn't currently work that way on the latest SDK. If there's a change coming, it hasn't happened yet.
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upvoteby thepasch1 hours ago|
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The monthly credit allocation hasn't rolled out yet either, so as of right now, we're effectively at the status quo. I'd expect the billing change to land once you can actually collect your Claude Console account.
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upvoteby cjav_dev33 minutes ago|
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How credits work with `claude -p` is a common question. we're updating the faq now to make sure it's more clear
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upvoteby cjav_dev8 minutes ago|
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Update: We just updated the docs to clarify how API credits can be used w/ claude -p: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...
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upvoteby sanex3 hours ago|
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Those mfers. I'm using this for work! I use my work teams plan with pi so I can do all kinds of custom workflows that I can't in Claude Code. Time to convince management I need OpenAI instead.
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upvoteby stsch3 hours ago|
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Time to convince management (and yourself) to build some skills. :)
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upvoteby sanex2 hours ago|
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Spent many years building skills, I'm just working on a different level now.
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upvoteby luketaylor1 hours ago|
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Nothing is being removed as part of this!
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upvoteby winwang52 minutes ago|
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*For now. If a company were to degrade something, it shouldn't be so obvious that the "goodwill" was just a reallocation. Just a good strategy. For example, it allows them to claim that they're "just going from 150% to 125% usage allowance, which is still more than 100%".
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upvoteby sambaumann3 hours ago|
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Even after the June changes there was some allowance to use agent SDK on the pro plan. This will move me to codex tomorrow if agent SDK is really blocked on pro
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upvoteby vmg122 hours ago|
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These are api tokens, you can build a business with them using any harness.
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upvoteby tekacs2 hours ago|
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Yes, but they're wildly lower in value than the corresponding subscription usage.
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upvoteby martinald3 hours ago|
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Do we know if claude -p is now drawing from this API usage?
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upvoteby cjav_dev32 minutes ago|
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How credits work with `claude -p` is a common question we're seeing. we're updating the faq now to make sure it's more clear. Will share updated docs soon

Update: We just updated the docs to clarify how API credits can be used w/ claude -p: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...

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upvoteby ziga2 hours ago|
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Not yet, as of version 2.1.293. But I suspect this is coming next.
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upvoteby thepasch3 hours ago|
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That's what the Agent SDK is, according to this help page:

https://code.claude.com/docs/en/headless

So, as written, yes.

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upvoteby geek_at4 hours ago|
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This is literally for you to get tangled in their api and when they stop giving you the allowance they hope you will just continue to pay
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upvoteby losvedir3 hours ago|
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Nah, it's pretty trivial to switch providers (especially with Claude's help, ha).

This is more to encourage people to try out adding AI into their product, which is a totally different flow and experience from using AI to build the product.

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upvoteby eli2 hours ago|
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Or to discourage people from using cheap subscription tokens as part of automated workflows
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upvoteby enraged_camel4 hours ago|
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What does "tangled in their api" mean? Switching is pretty easy.
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upvoteby charcircuit3 hours ago|
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Not really, you have to fiddle with generating api keys and setting environment variables. Meanwhile with Anthropic it will just start charging you API prices for the tokens you are generating without even a single warning.
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upvoteby enraged_camel3 hours ago|
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>> Not really, you have to fiddle with generating api keys and setting environment variables.

That's 5-15 minutes of work at most. Not exactly the type of lock-in the parent is implying.

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upvoteby charcircuit3 hours ago|
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The user could have always done that regardless of if the user has the option to be charged API rates on or off.
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upvoteby tomjen34 hours ago|
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That's an old tactic for an old world. You only need, what, half an hour with your agent of choice to write you out of that?
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upvoteby Topfi3 hours ago|
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This is massive. So on top of the regular usage, we now have USD 200,- to freely use via the API however we please, even resell? That is a statement, even knowing that inference does not cost them nearly as much as they charge, this is very developer-friendly. Does some minor de-risking for testing concepts. Terms seem to be reasonable [0].

Of course, they don't do this out of pure kindness, but I really struggle to see a negative for subscribers already using a Claude Max subscription, especially given changing to another model is essentially frictionless via OpenRouter.

Compared with "Sign in via OpenAI" which they just announced, this is far less lock-in for anyone hosting services but less interesting for users of said services. With Anthropics approach, you can just use the allowance on your users however you see fit along with any other models and once it's used up, you can still just decide not to use their models for the remainder. With users bringing their tokens meanwhile, there is less flexibility in terms of switching for you, though might be cheaper for users.

Both interesting, each approaching this from a very different direction, each having their own trade-offs. On the OpenAI front, will be interesting whether developers can set specific temp, reasoning budgets, etc. for such "provided tokens" or whether OpenAI exposes that only via the actual API.

[0] https://www.anthropic.com/legal/credit-terms

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upvoteby tech234a4 hours ago|
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OpenAI will probably add this to their plans within a week
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upvoteby alasano4 hours ago|
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With OpenAI you can just use Oauth and get a token to use your subscription.

Anthropic isn't even close to being this useful.

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upvoteby Iolaum3 hours ago|
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Biggest reason for an OAI subscription instead of Ant imo.

Biggest loss is that Ant models look like they are genuinely better.

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upvoteby matsz3 hours ago|
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> Biggest loss is that Ant models look like they are genuinely better.

This changes on a weekly basis, I ended up with subscriptions to most of the providers (except for X.ai).

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