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This isn't true at least on the API. If you read their privacy policy you'll see the training clause is scoped specifically to the consumer terms i.e. for the chat product. No such clause exists for the API service, and it would absolutely be required under Chinese law if it was taking place.

Contrary to popular belief, DeepSeek really aren't interested in your prompts.

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Do you have a link to their API privacy policy?

What I see is https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-privacy-pol...

They do not have a specific exclusion for API use.

I know Z.ai has an exclusion for API use. It's widely reported Deepseek doesn't.

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I'll preface by saying you'd be entirely reasonable in not finding this sufficiently reassuring, but compare the standard terms: https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-terms-of-us...

To the open platform terms (i.e. for API use): https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-open-platfo...

The standard terms includes clause 4.3 which grants them the right to retain inputs and outputs for training purposes, and this is missing from their API terms. The standard terms also cover the right to opt out (which you can do from your user settings). No such opt-out exists on the API because it isn't applicable.

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You're linking to the Terms of Use. I'm linking to the Privacy Policy. Your Terms of Use link points to the Privacy Policy.
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Deepseek does not offer zero training on OpenRouter. Out of dozens of alternatives, they are the only provider for 4.1 Flash that does this.
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Let me get this straight you guys really like deep seek because it’s open but you don’t wanna help them improve.
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No, we just want a choice on how to license our work.
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All these products, western or Chinese, are built on a hell of a lot of running rough-shod over licensing or IP laws in general.

I'm writing a program I personally need, but I would be happy if there existed something like it already, if someone else vibecoded a better version of it than mine, or if DS got better at vibing this kind of thing.

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>license our work

what proof do you have, that they don't train on your data?

they can say they don't, but I don't see any way for you to confirm it.

with how these companies operate currently, I won't be surprised, if they say that one of agents "mistakenly" did that already..

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Mistakenly and autonomously of course.
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Why does liking a product mean you have to give them all of your data? People are so outraged at LG because they make the best TVs and people wanted their expensive product, yet some MBA convinced them they could make more money by spying on your entire household all the time.

It actually was awesome in the early Facebook days where you could have your entire phone contacts and other apps filled out with a profile picture and Birthday by connecting them together. But that relationship has been completely abused, privacy has been invaded, and my data has been sold to multiple companies.

The goal going forward is to keep that data private. If your company can't survive without it then I hope your company goes out of business

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