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by kzrdude11 hours ago |
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upvoteby fifilura11 hours ago|
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They have opinions and moral values. And a lot of times they coincide with western democracy ideals.

Or - like today - with rules based global world order.

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upvoteby impossiblefork11 hours ago|
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You remember Machado though...

Peace prize for someone who was literally arguing for subjecting her own country to an invasion and foreign occupation.

I remember how Swedish state television suddenly flipped very after that, and started cuddling Cuban exiles who wanted the same there. I think this whole thing was certainly coordinated somehow, behind the scenes in order to attempt to legitmize a future US invasion of Venezuela and their general conduct in the Carribean and South America /Pacific.

Things like this happened during expulsion of the Karabach-Armenians too. Then SVT went out and said that "Armenian separatists [had] agreed to leave Azerbaijan", and they left out the artillery bombardement, the deaths by starvation and the ICJ judgement against Azerbaijan's closure of the Lachine corridor, even though such a judgement by an organization like the ICJ would otherwise by first-page news.

So while I can't be sure that there's some NATO-internal press office coordinating how planned future military activity by members is to be presented in the media, it seems that Turkey could achieve that, and that the US could achieve that.

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upvoteby senderista6 hours ago|
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This is all rather OT, but I thought the general Western mainstream coverage of the Artsakh ethnic cleansing was disgraceful. We're talking about an ethnic community of ~120K that was expelled from land where they've lived for at least a millenium. Does that even get a footnote relative to Palestine? Also Israel's role in arming Azerbaijan (including with suicide drones) was disgracefully unexamined (likewise Russia's abdication of responsibility to a CSTO member).
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upvoteby jordanb6 hours ago|
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It's possible the Azerbaijan/Armenia thing and lack of outcry or attention helped Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Gaza, Sudan/Darfur, etc get rolling.

When you have revanchast or expansionist power see another one "get away with it" they think to themselves "now is my time to do some dirty work."

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upvoteby fifilura10 hours ago|
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Yeah, I guess they act independently from international courts.
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upvoteby impossiblefork10 hours ago|
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How do you mean, and who?

If you mean Swedish state television, what I meant was that any such major judgement by a UN court like the ICJ, would be front page news.

Remember, this stuff was subject to long and incredibly annoying thing in the Security Council as well, and SVT ignored that too. It was the biggest thing that happened that whole year, basically and the entire coverage by SVT were those words I quoted in the comment before this, that "Armenian separatists have agreed to leave Azerbaijan".

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upvoteby fifilura10 hours ago|
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The Norwegian nobel prize committee. (Your post was heavily edited, if you think i missed some point.)
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upvoteby impossiblefork10 hours ago|
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Yeah, I can be slow in getting them finished.

But at that point I can't have mentioned the ICJ stuff, can I? Hmm. Oh well. I get what I get for my editing.

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upvoteby fifilura9 hours ago|
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Fine, i also prefer being able to edit my comments.
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upvoteby jamiek888 hours ago|
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So put them in a draft rather than polluting the thread and making people guess what you meant.

Is your opinion so important that the world needs a quick draft first urgently before you’ve thought about what you want to say properly?

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upvoteby impossiblefork7 hours ago|
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Well, if I didn't think it was interesting I wouldn't post it. Then of course you reassess and start to wonder whether that initial remark really was worth it, and then your comments begins to evolve, and then you have done this for years and it becomes a style where the evolution of the comment expresses uncertainty and causation.

I always avoid genuinely changing the comments though, appending only, and ceasing to append in case someone responds before I'm done.

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upvoteby kzrdude9 hours ago|
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The committee in this case is based on retired or ageing Norwegian politicians. That's the construction that we can't do so much about (the will), but I think it's unfortunate for the prize. I think a more independent committee would have been better. I agree with the common criticism that they have given several prizes too rashly or too soon.
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upvoteby fifilura9 hours ago|
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They also had connections to Epstein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Thorbj%C3%B8rn...

I am not sure another committee would do much better though. How would they be chosen? At least these are people with a lot of experience in foreign affairs.

And at the end of the day - it is their price to govern. If they do a bad job, the world will move on.

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upvoteby kzrdude9 hours ago|
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I think that's fair, and they only get as much importance and attention as we give them.
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