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Drone units of occupation forces of Russia are primary taegets for AFU and due limited control distance for FPVs, Russian drone units are serving at the zero line, actually. So they are sent to actual front lines constantly (despite what Russia officially claims)
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They may or may not. I wouldn't like to take on this bet.
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Most young people with a conscience (which is most people that like to read) leave to avoid conscription in an unjust war.
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> Most young people with a conscience (which is most people that like to read) leave

No. I am sure that most young people with a conscience remaining. And it is mostly people without a conscience who leaving.

Russia is an extremely poor country, and literally governed by mafia. So generally it is impossible to leave Russia if you are not in top 10% by wealth, and it is almost impossible in Russia to get in those top 10% if you have conscience.

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I don’t know about my sense of right and wrong (some shit’s pretty fucked up in my head for sure), but back in the day, before the war, it was possible to work remotely for for foreign companies and earn good money without selling one’s soul to the devil.

When Crimea was annexed the writing on the wall was clear, so I made The Grind a priority, got fairly close to the top 10% (the real gap is corruption and having connections; net worth is something you have one day and lose the next one), and was able to leave with enough cash to keep me more than just afloat. And almost everyone I knew who was able to outsource their skills and wasn’t blind to what was happening, did the same thing: grind, save, move, settle down, live.

And then, when the war escalated into a whole different phase, I know some folks left Russia with a lot less than what I had - not piss poor but nowhere close to the top 10%. They had it a lot rougher, but the danger to their wellbeing and lives was more immediate. So I know you’re wrong about wealth being a requirement for leaving - it’s a huge boon that makes it a lot easier, but it’s certainly not a hard requirement.

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Software engineering is (was) an affordable way to climb the social ladder. It is not impossible at all. SWE could have easily earn 5k+ USD which is enough to leave.

I'm not from an even remotely wealthy family, not a mafia and was able to move to the EU. Not exceptional by any means.

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> earn 5k+ USD which is enough to leave

Quick search says that it is like 1.5k+ that get Russians in top 10%. How do you imagine leaving country with salary that way less then that, when there is practically no way for you to get job permit or asylum, and you will get yourself deported the second your travel visa expired?

> Software engineering is (was) an affordable way to climb the social ladder

But aren't those only supports my point? Among those 10% who has access to immigration, how many there are software engineers? And except them (and mafia members) who else can afford to move out of the Russia?

> I'm not from an even remotely wealthy family

5k+ USD Software Engineer salary in the Russia is literally top 2%. Sounds rather exceptional by me

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I'm not arguing that it's difficult for an average Russian. My point is that "conscience" or its absence has little to do with your ability to leave. You don't have to be "mafia" or some sort of hustler.

It's easier for some professions as they have more mobility and skills are transferable. But I've seen people from all sorts of backgrounds.

There are some folks involved into crypto/gambling/other questionable companies but I would say they're minority and rarely move to EU/UK/US because of regulations and taxes.

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Russia is an extremely rich country, in natural resources and potential. But the governing class is worse than a mafia because mafia does not lead senseless wars outside of its territory while making their own (mafia) people worse off.

Your point is a good one but there are many people who left even when they couldn't really afford to and are stuck somewhere, but still won't return.

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Drone units require good eyesight, reflexes, spatial orientation etc. FPS gamers are the best match, not coders.
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