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> Nobody in any position of power is even hinting this is driving toward post-scarcity

Who are you counting as being in "any position of power"? All the AI lab people are saying that the most likely and best outcome is we all live in a world of abundance where money doesn't matter anymore. Dario, Sam, Demis, and Elon have all said this loudly and repeatedly to anyone who asks.

None of them have articulated a coherent way to get there from here. But they all believe that the technology will make it possible, so the only unresolved question is how to transition us there.

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> All the AI lab people are saying that the most likely and best outcome is we all live in a world of abundance where money doesn't matter anymore. Dario, Sam, Demis, and Elon have all said this loudly and repeatedly to anyone who asks.

And none of them ever spoke a lie. Especially not if it would further their goals at someone else's expense.

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In their words, sure. In their actions, who among them has actually worked to make the dream of post-scarcity come alive?

From what I've seen, UBI is just a carrot dangled in front of the poors by utopian Silicon Valley tech bro megabillionaires when they're trying to drum up some PR for whatever big idea they're pimping out at the moment.

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Obviously benevolent AGI is a prerequisite and they're all working on it. Actual post-scarcity society is a political issue more than a technology issue and nobody wants these guys working on political issues. To the extent that they have gotten involved in politics they have been pilloried for it. So I'd say their actions in pursuing the technology of AI, and leaving behind or not starting on political campaigns, are perfectly in concordance with their words.
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Is this a very advanced form of sarcasm or a form of extreme gullibility? For the life of me I can't tell the difference, if the former then well played.
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Yeah, that comment is a pretty textbook example of Poe's law in my mind... Leaning towards sarcasm though.
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Yeah, if they actually put their money where their mouth is, we'd see UBI supporters on the mid term ballots.
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I think the process will not be clean and the upturning of apple carts will happen. But I don’t think it’s possible to sustain the decline in value of toil in a stable society. People simply won’t die for the convenience of the consolidated power.

There are a lot of discussions of socialization of health care and basic income approaches and sovereign wealth based on automation dividends similar to the Alaska trust.

I think the current spate of mean cruelty ala MAGA and a glorification of a mean and cruel past that was never a golden age is a death spasm of a deeply unpopular belief system. As the actual realities of the policies sink in 70% of the populace is revolted, which is a super majority. That’s more than enough to put a pin in the philosophy permanently. It is also greatly accelerating electrification, realization of the value of expertise in technocratic systems in current generations, etc. I think humans are socially adaptable animals at a cultural level, but for the individual the adaptation process can be awful. I hope it’s not, because it doesn’t have to be. We will see.

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I hope you are right but fear the reality might be more similar to Elysium, if not intentional depopulation. This is straying far into sci-fi but it might come down to whether AI escapes control of the ruling class and whether it is benevolent or not. The future looks like rule by those with money to fund the manufacture of robotic armies, if not.
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> It just looks like the same old vile maxim, all for ourselves, and nothing for other people.

  We have no choice, we must tax the common people.

  The Uprising (2026)
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Because UBI studies found it makes people perform significantly worse than without it. They didn't get better. Humans require toil, we require pain to function.

Matrix was a good point to this. They made the world a utopia and people couldn't handle it. Our monkey brains require pain give us a utopia and we'll just walle ourselves to death.

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What UBI studies found this?

(The ones I've heard about, I'm fairly sure, didn't find anything of the kind. Which isn't to say that they show we should have UBI; there are big gaps between what has been tested so far and what an actual economy with UBI would look like.)

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I've never heard of a UBI experiment that limited "toil". Nearly all UBI studies I've come across show an improvement in life satisfaction, reduced homelessness, drug use, etc.

I think you've taken the "work less" that was found in some studies to suggest they needed "toil". They simply found it somewhere else.

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