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I'm confused.. are you suggesting that Claude Code / Codex don't work? Because if you're still saying that in October 2026, it's a you problem. You're doing something wrong.
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No, I’m talking about the recent DevDay.

Also, yes there are still bugs in Claude Code. I experience them nearly everyday.

It is markedly better than early days, but still not the best harness.

The best software written with agents seems to come from people outside of the labs (see pi, for instance — or all of cloudflare’s recent work)

Which makes me question either the model, or the holders …

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Cloudflare is where you lost me. I don't know anyone actually using them other than for their proxy, DNS servers, or DDOS protection.
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See, for instance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49182996 by Kenton Varda

Also, not mentioned in my post:

- Mitchell Hashimoto

- Prime Intellect (and all their agent experiments)

- Geoff Huntley (see Jiti, for instance)

(many more)

There's a ton of interesting software being developed with these models by people outside the in group, but I find most of the software from these big guys to be ... bland. Buggy copies of copies.

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I don't see the Cloudflare stuff as groundbreaking, let alone people building companies around it. "Workers" are the wrong primitive, IMO. What if my code isn't in Javascript? They sandboxed the wrong part of the machine.

I have a version of "Cloudflare OS" running in production, using Temporal as the orchestration and MicroVMs for the sandboxing.

Sorry, I get your point but personally I don't get the hype around them.

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I don't use either myself but I'm in a position where I get to see what it produces for other people. Here's a recent (2-3 months old) example: A zsh script that immediately invoked a Python interpreter that immediately invoked a shell command and iterated over each line of output looking for one of a few strings to match... So, `<cmd> | grep "(stringA|stringB|stringC)"`, but a whole lot dumber.

Thanks, but no thanks, I don't need that kind of code in anything I'm working with.

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Claude Code still doesn't have a working scroll back buffer in their new renderer, it regularly flips its shit and mixes different pieces of history.

Claude Code still can't get reasonable performance without writing a "game renderer" (that doesn't work)

Claude Code is still written in JavaScript, eating hundreds of megabytes to make a shitty TUI whose literal sole role is to send API calls.

Claude Code is software made by amateurs.

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Claude code is an incredibly buggy mess. I have never used any other TUI that regularly has rendering errors or that is anywhere as laggy as Claude.
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Unfortunately, marketing, hype, and venture capital overshadows any serious public discussion of capabilities.
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Be the change you want to see in the world: Attend or host an AGI society event to have that conversation:

agi-society.org

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It’s like the aliens paradox. If AI can build killer software already, where is it?
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Couldn't agree more. I find a new bug in the VSCode Codex extension every day... quantity != quality!
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I have a feeling that the team working on the VSCode Codex extension is one guy, who begrudgingly takes down a couple tickets every other week.
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One solution to the aliens paradox is that they are so advanced they can hide from us. Maybe the killer software is kept inside the labs? I doubt it.
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