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> Russia will never attack NATO

You think about a frontal attack like in Ukraine, and maybe you're right. But Russia is already waging a much more subtle war against NATO. Look at who's leading the US. Look at Brexit. Or look at who could soon lead France or Germany... Their conventional army may be weak, but they don't need to fire a bullet either.

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Russia is leading these efforts in the way of Sun Tzu and all that “never stop an enemy in the process of making a mistake.”
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I think they're actively encouraging said mistakes. The UK PM came out and confirmed they were behind Brexit the other day: https://kyivindependent.com/russia-behind-britains-brexit-vo...
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Look at the former Soviet republics that helped Russia win WWII by supplying it with an almost limitless supply of soldiers. All of them have refused to allow their citizens to fight for Russia in Ukraine.

And if you know your history you'd know that Russia had to pull out of WWI because the country literally ran out of men during the conflict.

Their political influence, even with right-wing politicians who might be skewed their way, will be limited. And could change at any moment as we've seen with Orban.

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> And if you know your history you'd know that Russia had to pull out of WWI because the country literally ran out of men during the conflict.

Russia continued WW1 with a civil war that lasted until 1922. Their military deaths were quite evenly split between the world war stage and the civil war stage.

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Literally everything you’ve stated is false. Every statement.

A) Lots of Russians died during WW2, it wasn’t “evil Russia sends troops from occupied republics to fight for them while Russians sit back”.

B) Lots of mercenaries from post-Soviet republics fight for money on Russias side now

C) Russia didn’t pull out because they’ve run out of men. Where did you get this?

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Of course many Russians died too. But the bulk of the casualties were Soviet soldiers from the Asian republics.

There are a couple of good WWI documentaries on YouTube which you can watch for free. You'll find that C) is the truth.

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> because the country literally ran out of men during the conflict

I wonder where then the millions of soldiers that fought the russian civil war came from.

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> NATO is a hundred times stronger than Ukraine,

And the might of the US/UK/etc are a hundred times stronger than the Taliban in Afghanistan, however who ended up winning that war? Or how about Vietnam?

My point being: the size/capability of a military doesn't necessarily result in a win. I think NATO forces have a particular problem of being pretty unmotivated about Ukraine winning.

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Also, everyone thought Russia would take Ukraine in a few days.

Conventional military powers sure seem like they were overrated.

Now Russia is one of only two players with years of experience in the latest generation of warfare, while NATO is still stuck in the 20th century.

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I would like this to be true but I'm not sure (at least when talking about NATO = Continental Europe). A quick search reveals Russia made 41 jet fighters last year, Europe made 40.

I suspect when it comes to the production of certain kinds of advanced war materiel, like missiles, shells or drones, Europe lags or doesn't have a clear advantage.

GDP doesn't matter, despite European defense stocks benefiting majorly from the Ukraine war, this didn't seem to have translated into a similar increase in output, which indicates there are bottlenecks in the system somewhere.

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> Russia will never attack NATO

You're assuming rational behavior, but time and time again world leaders have demonstrated that they will pursue erratic behavior if their feelings or vibe suggest them that behavior to be their way out of their own trouble.

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You do know that wars are not “muh supurmun is bazzilion times stronger than your balk!!”?

Russia doesn’t need direct attack on NATO to intimidate, or even destroy the alliance. And even if it did attack NATO member, it is going to be guess what? A discussion. Just like what they have right now. It’s not going to be DEFCON style theatrical attack from the united West on Russia. You know what happens during WW2? When Russia and Germany carved up Poland? Nothing happened when France declared war on Germany. There was a period of 8 months where they just stared at each other. It was called “Phoney war”. Chances are we might witness Russia just steam rolling Baltics while the West talks between each other what to do next.

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