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by notfried9 hours ago |
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upvoteby dewey9 hours ago|
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Also all the developers are angry and trying to build for Duo right now that didn’t even give them a simulator in time, so makes sense to not rush this out right away.
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upvoteby WorldMaker7 hours ago|
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For what it is worth, this seems to have a similar screen form factor to the expanded to Duo, so maybe they were waiting for this announcement before revealing the simulator to make it clearer that apps supporting one of the devices may support both? Not the first time Apple has made multi-device plays on a new form factor.
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upvoteby Kwpolska2 hours ago|
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The HomeView has a 1:1 display, the Duo has 1:1.4 displays. Not really similar. Although I would expect any devs (had there been a SDK) to start with their iPad apps, which are expected to adapt to different window sizes.
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upvoteby jimbokun3 hours ago|
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They’ll get over it if the Duo sells well.
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upvoteby MichaelZuo9 hours ago|
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Yeah the lack of an app store is fine for the first year.

But the requirement for everyone to have an ipad or iphone on 27.2 or later (for full functionality) seems more of a showstopper. I would have been in the market for one but haven’t even bothered to upgrade past iOS 18 yet.

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upvoteby HumblyTossed7 hours ago|
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> But the requirement for everyone to have an ipad or iphone on 27.2 or later (for full functionality) seems more of a showstopper. I would have been in the market for one but haven’t even bothered to upgrade past iOS 18 yet.

This is what irritates me about Parental Controls in 27. Everyone has to be on 27 or nobody gets the new controls. So, we still have a mini 5 that we let the littlest one on. It works, there's not reason to get a new one, but sure would be nice to have the newer Parental Controls for the older kids.

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upvoteby azinman28 hours ago|
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27 is really good. Worth the upgrade.

Disclosure: I work at Apple. But that’s also my honest opinion.

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upvoteby yreg7 hours ago|
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One issue with upgrading: macOS 27 doesn't run Xcode 26 which most developers probably want to continue using until they finish polishing the apps for Duo.
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upvoteby HumblyTossed7 hours ago|
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You're right, it is. But there's some annoying caveats. Parental Controls - every device has to be on 27 or nobody gets the updates. Have an iPad mini 5 that we let the youngest use, so that messes with everything.
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upvoteby wat100008 hours ago|
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I doubt that people who are still running an OS version from two years ago are a significant potential market for this.
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upvoteby swiftcoder7 hours ago|
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> still running an OS version from two years ago

Part of Apple's whole appeal is that you get OS patches for a really long time. Outside of tech enthusiast circles, it's not that common to YOLO into bleeding-edge OS updates

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upvoteby wat100005 hours ago|
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It's hardly "YOLO into bleeding-edge OS updates" to run something more recent than a 2024 major release.

Anyway, I'm not criticizing. Run what you like! I just don't expect the overlap between "buys Apple device in entirely new category" and "running OS version from two years ago" to be very large.

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upvoteby Kwpolska2 hours ago|
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iOS 27 came out a month ago, and 27.2 is currently in beta, so buying this device does require being on the bleeding edge.
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upvoteby swiftcoder1 hours ago|
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I'd also add that 26 was not universally well-received, so there were a lot of holdouts who are still running the previous version
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upvoteby Jolter1 hours ago|
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It’s fairly safe to say that every user who still didn’t upgrade to 27 by now, has made an active choice to postpone the upgrade.
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upvoteby vscarpenter9 hours ago|
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I think the Watch is a better precedent than the Apple TV. The product page already borrows its vocabulary: customizable faces, Live Activities, and “compatible third-party audio and video apps from your iPhone.” That’s how WatchKit started in 2015. Third-party Watch apps ran as extensions on the paired iPhone, went native with watchOS 2 later that year, and didn’t get an on-device App Store until watchOS 6 in 2019.

So I wouldn’t expect a HomeView App Store soon. I’d expect iPhone-hosted extensions first (widgets, Live Activities, CarPlay-style templates for audio and video), probably at WWDC. That also spares developers who are already scrambling to support the Duo.

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