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by pmkary7 hours ago |
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upvoteby WD-426 hours ago|
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I don’t understand people complaining about Firefox UI. It barely exists. There’s a url bar with some buttons in each side. If you use vertical tabs, another bar with tiny icons for each tab.

There’s so little chrome I can’t find any fault in it. It’s just grey, out of the way, as it should be.

Edit: https://imgur.com/a/1I4gG22 tell me where the bad/ugly UI is.

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upvoteby squidbeak6 hours ago|
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There's too much chrome. There's no way that I've ever been able to find to remove the fat fixed message header in reading view to see more of the message.
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upvoteby fodkodrasz4 hours ago|
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There is too little in modern "nice" designs... on VS Code for example all the title bar is filled with junk buttons by default, and you have to search hard for a single pixel to be able to grab that window and move it. Decades of usability research thrown out the window thanks to Mac and web folks dictating the trends.
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upvoteby browningstreet1 hours ago|
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Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t ugly for others. Or will you just not allow others to have this opinion?

It’s ugly.

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upvoteby preg_match1 hours ago|
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I think his point is that, even if you think it’s ugly, the nature of a web browser makes it irrelevant. The web browser is a window, 99.9% of the surface area goes to the website. Which is good. We could have prettier browsers which showed off more chrome, but that would be bad because we want to see the website.

Also, the UX of most browsers is basically the same. Browser UI has converged on one layout that works, and Firefox has it. It’s really indistinguishable from chrome.

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upvoteby godelski5 hours ago|
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I'm with you and honestly I think most people are. Frankly, I'm pretty certain that for 90% of users of you swapped chrome for Firefox, replacing the icons too, then people wouldn't notice. I'd wager 80% of HN users.

It's such a petty argument when everything is so hackable and Google is eating the internet. I wish people would put half the energy they use to complain to solve the things they are upset about.

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upvoteby moolcool6 hours ago|
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I do not like the vertical tabs at all
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upvoteby WD-426 hours ago|
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Good thing you don’t have to use them.
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upvoteby froobius5 hours ago|
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Counterpoint: vertical tabs are way better
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upvoteby koolba5 hours ago|
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Vertical tabs are only better because there is more horizontally space on a as screen and listing things vertical allows you to both gauge the list size and keep a mental reference of what slot a tab was. And those tab headers don’t move because of resizing when the width fills up.

But horizontal tabs are still better. Not technically better or ascetically better. Some other immeasurable, indescribable better.

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upvoteby godelski5 hours ago|
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I don't like pickles. So what? No one is forcing me to eat them and no one is forcing you to use vertical tabs. They aren't even the default so wtf is the point of your comment?
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upvoteby dawnerd6 hours ago|
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Have you seen the new Nova theme? It’s horrible, especially with vertical tabs.
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upvoteby WD-426 hours ago|
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I took the screenshot with the nova theme enabled. That’s what it looks like. It’s a nothingburger.
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upvoteby Eric_WVGG5 hours ago|
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If that screenshot is of the Nova theme, then the Nova theme is very ugly.
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upvoteby hack13124 hours ago|
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No, it isn’t.
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upvoteby dawnerd5 hours ago|
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That’s not how it looks in mine at all.
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upvoteby fodkodrasz4 hours ago|
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Also with standard tabs. I mean it probably won't distub someone already conditioned by abhorrent MacOS design... but the lack of visual boundaries of tabs (independent controls), the terrible vertically uncentered close buttons, the whole thing is a visual Chernobyl meltdown... Mozilla working hard to kill Firefox.

edit: just checked, and the most disgusting thing the extra internal horizontal top border of the text contents of the tab titles got removed. Still ugly, but nor instant Alt+F4... now I can bear it until I find about:config.

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upvoteby F3nd05 hours ago|
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Remember when Mozilla did a huge rebrand that introduced a new logo many people actually loved for its ingenuity, styling their name as moz://a? [1] And then, not very long after, they did another rebrand that resulted in… whatever they’ve got now? [2] Taking a step forward and then two steps back seems like a very Mozilla thing to do.

  [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/arrival/
  [2] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-brand-next-era-of-tech/
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upvoteby NoboruWataya5 hours ago|
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Here's the HN thread about the rebrand that "many people actually loved for its ingenuity" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13425380

There is some praise but it's mostly the same complaints that come up whenever Mozilla gets mentioned on HN, it's awful, I can't believe they've done this, millions wasted etc.

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upvoteby layer86 hours ago|
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Looking at the screenshots, I don’t have a problem with the aesthetics of the UI, but with how it’s wasting a lot of space. It feels like we could see more content on a small 4” smartphone screen 15 years ago: https://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/R... (and that already felt a bit wasteful back then, where a different layout could almost double the number of items visible at once)
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upvoteby maxloh6 hours ago|
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You know what? We also have people complaining about the new Firefox UI redesign, which is exactly the whitespace-heavy style you found in Arc or Dia.
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upvoteby moistoreos5 hours ago|
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GASP!
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upvoteby copperx6 hours ago|
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> some browsers (Arc, Dia) are so gorgeous

With all due respect, what a low bar for beauty!

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upvoteby edukite4 hours ago|
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I'll throw my nickel to this comment. I use swaywm with i3bar, you literally can go lower with that taste but I'm at least aware and honest with my taste. Dia looks like ChatGPT web client. It's mediocre at best
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upvoteby vallerie6 hours ago|
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Zen is delightful to use, and based on Firefox. I just don't get what's going on at Mozilla.
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upvoteby godelski5 hours ago|
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Most people don't like Zen (or Arc). Which is fine. I'm a big keyboard person so I love it, especially with the vimium plugin. But sometimes people get confused at my browser because they don't know how to navigate. Which is understandable

What I like about Mozilla is they made a hackable browser so we can have things like Zen, WaterFox, or whatever floats your boat.

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upvoteby the84725 hours ago|
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They're tools. I expect BM 085232, not the Book of Kells.
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upvoteby yuhmahp6 hours ago|
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was wondering the same. Mozilla seems out of touch
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upvoteby hk13376 hours ago|
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I don't care for the Material Design, even when Google did/does it.
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upvoteby xyst6 hours ago|
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To parent commenter, "beautiful design" just means "AI powered browser".

A quick glance at their product and its literally just a clone/fork of chrome/chromium with AI-pilled features.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" holds true.

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