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I think google makes great models, my favorite models have been google models. My critisisms are with the infrastructure around the models (or lack of them),things like billing, access, changes to terms and limits, pricing etc. All of these have shown either inconsistency, lack of care, sometimes confusing offerings, and things that felt like rug pulls.

Please google, just make it easy for me to give you money and get what I paid for.

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For agentic coding, Claude Code with the latest Fable or Opus is still just better. That's what people care most about.

Unless Gemini CLI greatly improves and Argon works well in it, this probably won't make a dent in the coding market.

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My complaint, and the complaint of many is not the models - they can be good to very good depending on use case.

What sucks, hard, is googles ability to deploy direct to devs and customers at scale when the deployment is not a longstanding Google project.

Case in point: I’m an ultra subscriber and see in my app right now an ad to try Gemini 4; meanwhile the only models I have available are 3.1 pro,3.6 flash, and 3.8 thinking.

Clicking the try gemini 4 link takes me to a demo prompt that loads 3.6 flash. Srsly

I won’t even start telling you what getting api key based access together was like a year ago.

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People have very short attention spans and cheerlead whoever is winning at any particular point in time.
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"I don't understand why people don't like our models but we can't get our act together on the products they use those models in"
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Uncharitably misreading things on the internet and getting upset about them is not the best hobby
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I agree that reply was unnecessarily rude, but... idk man. I'm a huge cheerleader for Google [1], use 3.1 Pro via AI studio, I'm on a Pro plan... and I can't access this model? Not even a "4 chats per hour" type thing?? I mean, I have video generation access for some reason (no good for me), but Google's policies are baffling to say the least.

Ofc I know this isn't your fault in person, but I really wish Google would get its shit together.

...As a long time tech enthusiast I should probably stop being so delusional. Heh (cries internally)

1: lol I know who cheers for a trillion dollar company but I'd rather not cheer for OpenAI

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Yeah, what I was trying to say is "the criticism doesn't make sense to me because I forget because I have access to the good stuff."

As a Google employee my defense is it's hard for a company this big to move fast, but I can understand how Google customers would be annoyed.

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Didn’t check agy or AI studio, but at least Argon is available in Gemini page/app.
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There's nothing unnecessarily rude about my comment, they are literally unable to get their act together on product.

The top level comment blamed cheerleading but let's apply critical thinking for a second as product people and look at the funnel:

1. Potential users sees new release 2. Potential user takes time to install and set up Google harness (you already lost 90% of people here, the funnel better close quick!) 3. Potential user cannot use new model.

Then what? You hope they developed good will towards your model through this experience?

You stuck a two week wait in your funnel? Is that the definition of not having your act together or what?

We're on HN, how many of us have heard from Google staff this kind of stuff is a result of them growing so big that AI Cloud has to compete with Vertex Cloud, and AI cloud exists because Vertex Cloud needed 2 years to get OAI/Ant style API keys working and were losing dev mindshare in the meantime?

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Why are you doing that then?
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Because Google models are crap. They are on par with local shit models. Last time I tried they were unable to even hold a longer conversation, because they would enter loop and reiterate last answer regardless of the prompt etc.

Then basic mistakes (inferring wrong information from the given text, hallucinations...). Gemini is okay for some absolute basics and the rest of the work goes to actual frontier models.

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How long ago did you try it? Gemini models seem extremely capable to me. I've been using them in ag for over a year and to me the results are great. switching to opus in ag doesn't produce any better results for me
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