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"I want to use my washing machine whenever I want" sounds like a very poor reason to destroy the environment."

The environment is going to be destroyed anyway, since the rest of the world will continue to use their washing machine whenever they want. [1]

The current European approach to climate change is completely bonkers and will only make Europeans poorer and miserable.

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-...

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> since the rest of the world will continue to use their washing machine whenever they want

No they have even less money than Europe. They'll do the smart thing, which is using electricity when it's cheap.

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You'd have a point if those countries had followed Europe in replacing coal with imported gas, but few countries outside of Europe have done that. Without imported gas, electricity is generally cheap.
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China burns coal and has still had time-of-use pricing since 1999.

The price of electricity is a function of demand with respect to supply. Even if the fuel is cheap, heavy demand will cost more to supply than low demand.

https://www.climatescorecard.org/2019/02/time-of-use-electri...

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Europe did not replace coal with gas. The only country that did this worth mentioning is the US.
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It already has made them poorer and miserable. The Draghi report was all about how they were poorer due to these things. Of course they decided not to follow the recommendations.
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> "I want to use my washing machine whenever I want" sounds like a very poor reason to destroy the environment.

What the heck? Where is your evidence that using washing machines at inconvenient times is going to destroy the environment?

If your argument is that any use of electricity from fossil fuels is destroying the environment, then nobody should even be charging their phones at night. Time-shifting washing machines isn't going to fix carbon emissions since they're going to be emissions at any time of the day.

I don't know how you guys in Europe managed to gaslight yourselves into justifying regression of social and technological development. A lot of these moral arguments do not make sense. You said it yourself -- industry is incentivized to convince the public to use less electricity during peak hours so they can pay less. It's pretty much a psyop by capitalists. And for some reason you're shilling for them even though presumably you're paid exactly zero buckaroos

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I've been receiving tons of free or negative rate energy for the last few years because of time of day pricing and as a result have driven thousands of miles at near zero fuel cost. It's automated for me so all I have to do is plug my car in.

I certainly don't view the windless day where the price is a little higher than average as a cause not to use my washing machine as on average I win out.

I'm not sure it's useful generalising a continent of peoples political opinions but I see renewables, storage and smart grids as really new tools that society previously had no access to, it's a massive carrot not a stick.

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> I don't know how you guys in Europe managed to gaslight yourselves into justifying regression of social and technological development

Many of us believe that the alternative is a serious risk of severe climate change that would be much more disruptive. Not being able to use your washing machine at night is going to seem like the smallest of minor inconveniences if crops start failing and we don't have food, or cites end up underwater triggering mass migration into neighbouring areas and that leads to large scale societal conflict.

Of course, if you don't believe that those things will happen then caring about climate change seems irrational. But belief in (anthropogenic) climate change is the mainstream view on all sides of the political spectrum in most of Europe.

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How do you explain that basically all European countries tax electricity much higher than fossil gas? Countries like Germany and the UK make the US look good when it comes to heat pump adoption.

More ironically, air conditioning is tolerated if powered by oil (like in cars), but not by electricity (like in buildings). At least Europe is better at EV adoption, but still far behind many parts of Asia.

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