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If you read my lengthy reply and came away with "this guy hates to question Apple", you are not reading my reply at all.

by tomhow17 hours ago|

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> "HN apparently hates"

Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

HN is countless different people with the full range of views on most topics. “It” doesn't hate (or love) any one thing, and these kinds of comments insinuating that it is one entity with one view are so lame. Please observe the guidelines if you want to participate here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by stouset1 days ago|

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HN hates when people are “just asking questions” but haven’t bothered to make any attempt whatsoever to answer those questions.

Yes, Apple has actually put work into designing, building, and shipping secure enclaves. Yes, they have put a gargantuan amount of work into PCC to uphold the claims they make about its privacy. Yes, they employ differential privacy. Yes, they have shipped a feature that enables privacy-conscious users to be the only ones to hold the keys to their iCloud account. And on and on and on. Nothing will ever be enough for you.

You aren’t asking these questions in good faith. If you were, you’d have your answers already.

by HumblyTossed1 days ago|

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> HN hates when people are “just asking questions” but haven’t bothered to make any attempt whatsoever to answer those questions.

I have and don't see much evidence at all except a bunch of influencers saying Apple is tops in privacy.

Apple has plenty of default settings gaps that allow THEM to collect your data. They capitulate in certain markets. And who knows what Trump made them do?

by stouset23 hours ago|

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You don’t like the answer you got, so you ignore it. Again, you’re not asking in good faith. The fact that Apple has actually done these things is widely agreed upon by privacy and security experts, and there is essentially no evidence that contradicts it.