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by Lerc4 hours ago |
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upvoteby hollowturtle4 hours ago|
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> Making things for the joy of making them is wonderful to see.

ehm except they're not doing anything really? the real joy was getting to know the processor, write down some assembly and see the result on an emulator, that was real joy, too easy writing a prompt that god know what it generates

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upvoteby therealdrag01 hours ago|
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They are causing things to be made that they enjoy. And most likely having far more creative involvement than you’re giving credit for. I hang out on Ai game dev forums. Typical creations are garbage, but good stuff is made through human sweat and ingenuity, regardless of AI.
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upvoteby Lerc3 hours ago|
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That is for them to decide. You may choose to use different methods. I don't think you are entitled to decide what brings joy to others.
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upvoteby hollowturtle3 hours ago|
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No i'm not entitled, but there are facts based on reality: prompting isn't creating, it's a slot(or slop) machine
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upvoteby iamjackg3 hours ago|
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You still don't get to decide what "the real joy" is in absolute terms.
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upvoteby hollowturtle2 hours ago|
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What are you the lawyer of the prev poster? Anyway I can rule out what it isn't, you're not creating anything what it isn't then? how can it be joy?
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upvoteby articulatepang2 hours ago|
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Have you ever felt joy watching a sunset? Smelling a flower? Hearing a song? Seeing a child laugh? Did you create any of those things?

You may or may not be right about whether prompting is creation, but it is certainly possible to feel joy without any act of creation being involved. So you need a different argument if you’d like to prove that “making Commodore games using prompting cannot lead to joy.”

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upvoteby hollowturtle1 hours ago|
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> Have you ever felt joy watching a sunset? Smelling a flower? Hearing a song? Seeing a child laugh? Did you create any of those things?

yes and has nothing to do with prompting congratulations

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upvoteby halfadot45 minutes ago|
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The question was clearly about whether or not you felt joy from something that you didn't take part in creating. The fact that you're now playing dumb and obsessively returning to the topic of prompting shows you don't have a good counterargument.

I'll remind you again: it's none of your business what gives people joy.

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upvoteby holoduke2 hours ago|
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In the end you are moving a bunch of electrons. With or without AI. You are just annoyed by AI. But creativity has nothing to do with AI or no AI.
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upvoteby hollowturtle1 hours ago|
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AI is a shortcut to creativity and a accellerator to lazyness. This is very well know by now, I'm not saying something crazy
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upvoteby halfadot42 minutes ago|
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The entire point of technology is to provide shortcuts. Compilers are shortcuts to creativity. So are IDEs. So are game engines. Laziness is not an inherent vice and working hard is not an inherent virtue, no matter how long the gold stars for effort linger in your memory.
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upvoteby dvt4 hours ago|
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> This shows people are using AI to make games that they know hardly anyone will play.

People have always done this tbh, I've probably built like a dozen+ games at game jams that even I barely remember.

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upvoteby Lerc3 hours ago|
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The making games part, absolutely. I have probably over 20 games that nobody plays. I have updated games at the request of the only person who plays it. I once made a game that I thought that no-one at all played but then got feedback from someone to say that their entire office was addicted to it. Last week I got an email asking for the solution to one of the last levels of a game I made around 2000-2001 (which I really should reply to :-/ ).

There was another thread yesterday about coding for the joy of it, I entirely support that too. I have written a few Dweets in my time, but the author of Littlejs is one of the masters of the form https://beta.dwitter.net/u/KilledByAPixel/top

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