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>Likewise, using privacy messengers like Signal is also useless if they can just take control of your entire device anytime they want.

Totally not useless. It costs a lot more to pay a spyware firm then to have an employee send an email / ask a judge (like that's even necessary).

I feel quite confident of my messages privacy on my Pixel with GrapheneOS given most people I message are on iPhones which are second in security to Pixels running GrapheneOS. Not to mention my threat model doesn't include mercenary spyware, as most people's doesn't.

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>Turns out Google killing Android privacy was completely useless as a way to prevent people from being hacked, but they might use this type of stuff to justify even more closing of supposedly "free" paltforms.

If you're talking about the sideloading restrictions those were intended to stop social engineering and scams, not from getting hacked via 0days.

>Likewise, using privacy messengers like Signal is also useless if they can just take control of your entire device anytime they want.

Source? play services is privileged but not that privileged.

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> If you're talking about the sideloading restrictions those were intended to stop social engineering and scams

No, those restrictions were intended to keep Android users in the playstore ghetto (which is suffed to the gills with scams.)

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> useless as a way to prevent people from being hacked

From being hacked by others. Google was just trying to protect their property, which is the ability to spy on their users' every move. Google themselves really don't need to "hack" their users for that, they already have all the access and all the data they could ever want. And they also have the ability to brick their users' devices at a moment's notice the same as Apple does.

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However, this hack could have happened whether sideloading was allowed or not.

In fact, following the OP's link to https://citizenlab.ca/research/how-discover-tech-turned-targ..., "the company’s ads were shown on almost 200,000 unique websites and Android/iOS apps in dozens of countries" so it's not just apps but ordinary websites you visit in your android chrome browser.

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Yes, Google's move to block people from installing software on their own devices is orthogonal to this. I was merely saying that some measures have massive negative effects and basically irrelevant positive effects in the grand scheme of things.
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So there's some sort of Android/iOS vulnerability in Chrome/Safari that they're exploiting?

No info on if a recent version patches this?

It also mentions a "Windows DLL" - so they're somehow infecting Windows desktop too?

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My understanding is that there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of high impact vulnerabilities on Chrome/Safari. We don't get to hear about most of them because it would become tedious quickly.
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I'm sure Google's latest push to make it inconvenient to install apps from outside Google's Playstore, where Google charges a 30% commission, is going to solve that.
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Is GrapheneOS affected?
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