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Difference being we're pretending that Israel is a democracy that values human rights, so nobody makes a real stink about it, unlike with China.
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Why Israel is not a Democracy?
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Israel was created by ethnically cleansing Palestinians during the Nakba. That's not a democracy, ethnically cleansed Palestinians aren't even allowed to live on their land, let alone vote. That's not including all of the Palestinians that have been straight up murdered.

In addition Israel is an apartheid state with many undemocratic features:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/66a134337e960f229da81...

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> ethnically cleansed Palestinians aren't even allowed to live on their land, let alone vote

America was a democracy while we were exterminating our native population. Democracy is a system of government. Voters can democratically vote for terrible things.

Israeli Arabs are allowed to vote.

> Israel is an apartheid state

This is a valid argument, though still stretched–America didn't cease to be a democracy while we occupied Germany and Japan.

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Murdered people can't vote. People forced off their land and over an artificially created border can't vote. Israel is no democracy.

> America was a democracy while we were exterminating our native population.

I would argue that it was not for the very same reasons (and of course there were many other classes not allowed to vote at the time). Killing someone robs them of their right to vote.

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> Murdered people can't vote. People forced off their land and over an artificially created border can't vote

Sure. But this also describes a lot of well-accepted democracies' histories.

Perhaps you're thinking of a liberal democracy?

> would argue that it was not

Sure, according to a personal definition that countries cease to be democracies any time they go to war (or more narrowly, commit war crimes), Israel is not a democracy...

> there were many other classes not allowed to vote at the time

Most democracies also prohibit children and non-citizens from voting. The term you may be looking for is full democracy. And I think most people and experts agree Israel is not a full democracy [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

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> Most democracies also prohibit non-citizens from voting.

I mean we're talking about all Black people, Indigenous people and women! I think arguing semantics isn't helpful.

Israel is an illegitimate state practicing crimes against humanity. That some of the colonizers can vote isn't really relevant. I actually think this can help us reflect on the true nature of the US as well and push for things like land back to Indigenous people and reparations for Black people.

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> we're talking about all Black people, Indigenous people and women

Yes. Athens was similar–a minority of the population could vote. It was a deeply flawed democracy, but a democracy nonetheless.

> That some of the colonizers can vote isn't really relevant

Literally America! Also all of Europe depending on when you draw the line. Also all of the Middle East for the same reason. (Also most extant Native American tribes.) Hell, even in Palestine we can only say more than 50% of the population traces from Bronze-Age heritage.

By your definition, democracy does not exist and cannot exist in most parts of the world.

> this can help us reflect on the true nature of the US

It really can't if we're redefining precedented terms. America, like Israel, is a flawed democracy.

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Only the national brass is pretending at this point.
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Bills like the US CLOUD Act (there are similar ones in the EU and China) force service providers to illegally spy on people overseas (via unauthorized use of anything they can access—consider Microsoft’s Windows backdoors).

I think the only technical solution available to individuals is to boycott non-verifiably e2ee services and corporate operating systems (especially including android).

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It's not "illegaly spy", it' just spy. National security laws make sure that these requests are all legal - from that particular country's point of view who is forcing the provider to supply the info... and illegal from all the other country's point of view. The root of this problem is that nation states have the final say in what they consider legal. But that difficulty is by design and is very difficult to fix.
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A few weeks ago the FBI tipped the Argentinian police that some 15 year old kid from buenos aires province had asked chatgpt for ideas to plan a school massacre.

just to confirm your info... https://buenosairesherald.com/society/argentine-teenager-pla...

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In the interest of balance, how many times did the FBI snoop into innocent people’s private lives with no warrant or worse, goaded some weak-minded individuals into planning crimes together in sting operations (i.e. people who needed convincing to commit the crime, so not quite clean but not the masterminds either)?

If you put out a fire how many are you allowed to set while people applaud selectively?

I don’t think they’re striking a good balance between how invasive they are compared to the real results they deliver.

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to be clear: I'm against this "pre-crime" FBI bullshit. it's overreach.
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> I think the only technical solution available to individuals is to boycott non-verifiably e2ee services

If the world moved that way overnight, I wonder where digital spy budgets would go. Into traditional techniques, cracking encryption, banning encryption, or a more educated guess?

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Except this isn't the security services they are serving it's a mercenary spyware vendor.
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This is abhorrent. Every government spying on everyone.. and who benefits from all of this?

Can we get an alien invasion already please, god

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