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This is a weird question and comment because a country doesn't generally make the software. But I suppose they seem to have a lot of influence on the companies. Like surveillance cameras in China.

If I was to say which countries do the most to restrict digital freedom, I'd say look at this table: https://eylenburg.github.io/countries.htm

If I was to say what companies have done the most to take the most privacy from the most people, it would be American big tech like Google and Meta.

There's some okayish software from Israel I can think of, like Zcash.

These Israeli ones are literal criminal companies. What Meta does should be illegal. Both are immoral.

A single spyware against a journalist is much worse than a single Facebook user, but for the total impact on society, they both destroy democracy and human rights significantly.

>I would sooner trust a Chinese company than an Israeli company

As for trust, with privacy I'm a big proponent of avoiding it. Use E2EE or self host if you have to. The country does not matter so much.

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Define "hostile to users" a bit more. Chinese devices recklessly place rando back-doors into things, opening up them up to everyone and their mother. Average consumer router firmware? Compromised. They swallow up any and all information they can get their hands on and operate scam centers where they can utilize the info to blackmail people. Israel seems to have a more targeted approach, albeit there is definitely a blast radius. I'm not sure I can say any one country is worse than the other when it comes to cybersecurity. That includes: USA, Iran, North Korea, China, Israel, Russia etc. They all put consumers at risk; whether it's immediate or down the line when the exploits are revealed and other bad actors (scammers) are able to leverage them. It's a lose-lose for us either way.
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I would also love this clarification, because not trusting an Israeli company is one thing, but with China, you're choosing to trust a government that is decades-old at being untrustworthy, not just a company. And whether or not the Israeli government can persuade a company to work with them notwithstanding, it's a known out truth that the Chinese government is in the business of its businesses.
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> Define "hostile to users" a bit more

Exploding pagers. Israel literally killed people with consumer tech.

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> Israel literally killed people

They killed combatants in a war started by the same. Assuming you grant Israel the right to defend itself against those who attack them they could also have chosen to use less precisely targeted means to disable these combatants, leading to more 'collateral damage'. How would you have reacted had they done so?

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It's built on stolen land created through ethnic cleansing and apartheid, and now genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Just saw your edit. You have the audacity to call me a troll while you spread genocide hasbara? I'm glad no one buys this anymore.

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Sold by a non-Israeli company (because Hezbollah isn't that stupid) and only to Hezbollah. But nice attempt to create ingenuine concern.
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Ingenuine?

We live in a world where NSO Group is protected from legal repercussions. If you're a US citizen, you live under the auspices of Israeli surveillance whether you like it or not. If you're a journalist, Israel will sell your opposition the Pegasus spyware to track you down and endanger your life. I wouldn't put it past the Mossad to blow up my phone, if they had the option. Yitzhak Rabin was killed for less.

The pager attack is a single stone in a mosaic of misanthropic Likud tactics. The damage Likud has done to Israel's reputation was intentional, designed from the ground-up to radicalize the Israeli populous and violently suppress any non-nationalist political campaigns. The rest of the world is appropriately disgusted, from my point of view.

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Yes, it is clear talking point (which I have seen and refuted before) to convince people not to buy from Israeli companies but as I already explained that doesn't apply and in the scenario with NSO - you aren't their costumer anyway.

> I wouldn't put it past the Mossad to blow up my phone, if they had the option. Yitzhak Rabin was killed for less.

Unless you are a member of Hezballah I doubt it. Yitzhak Rabin wasn't killed by Mossad and you have delusion of grandeur if you think your actions matter more than those of Yitzhak Rabin.

> The pager attack is a single stone in a mosaic of misanthropic Likud tactic

The pager attack was designed by Mossad, no reason to believe any particular relation to Likud.

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The scenario absolutely applies with NSO Group. They are not the only business in Israel that engages in extrajudicial conduct abroad. They are not the only company being protected by the state. Just an extremely egregious, inhumane one that personally offends the sizable class of self-conscious smartphone users. It's bad PR.

I know you know this, but Yitzhak Rabin was killed with Netanyahu's support, Likud's full awareness of the threat on his life, and Shin Bet's implicit cooperation: https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/rabins-murder-and-a...

  In March 1994, for example, [Netanyahu] participated in a protest near Ra’anana that was organized by the extremist Kahane Chai movement. Photographs show Bibi walking in front of a coffin beside which was a man carrying a pole with a hangman’s noose attached.

  On October 5, 1995, exactly one month before the assassination, Bibi organized and addressed an anti-Rabin rally in Jerusalem’s Zion Square where protesters chanted “Death to Rabin.” Bibi did nothing to quiet those chants. Itamar Rabinovich, Rabin’s former ambassador to Washington and later biographer, said of that event, “Netanyahu’s incitement at the time crossed the line.”

  When Shin Bet chief Carmi Gillon warned Netanyahu that there was a plot on Rabin’s life and urged him to help tone down the hateful rhetoric he and others were using, Bibi refused to do so.
So yes, perhaps the Mossad had nothing to do with it. It doesn't change the violent rhetoric of Likud, or how they enable Mossad to perpetuate their violent objectives though. This corrupt, lethal and oppressive mentality is baked-in to Likud political strategy and deliberately suppresses voices that encourage peace or nonviolence.

> The pager attack was designed by Mossad, no reason to believe any particular relation to Likud.

Mossad reports directly to the prime minister of Israel, who was a Likud politician. Do you think that the Mossad carried out the complete attack without Likud involvement? I won't have my intelligence insulted so readily. It wouldn't surprise me if it was Likud's urging that pushed the Mossad to research and develop the attack.

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You continue to fail to substantiate the claim Israeli companies are dangerous to their costumers which is what I dispute and talked about irrelevant stuff with whiff of conspiracy of Shin Bet's implicit cooperation.
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Israeli companies are inherently dangerous to everyone, including customers. They are not subject to the rule of law, and there is no limit to their victims or how they can be jeopardized. It's not a conspiracy that the Israeli government protects criminals from investigation, extradition or prosecution, even entire criminal companies oftentimes. No liability system exists for these organizations, most of them cannot be punished for attacking customers indiscriminately since they aren't credibly investigated.

I would not trust them, even if I was an Israeli citizen myself.

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Some multinationals have their R&D offices in Israel, there's a lot of pretty good research coming out. Russia would probably be worse in terms of trust and they are openly hostile to the West unlike Israel.
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