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I guess if you take a wide enough lens, the west lives in the civilization founded in Rome. There's no political continuity, but there's a reasonably coherent cultural trajectory going back a few thousand years.

Do we think that there is going to be a major break from that?

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Something more dramatic than the fall of the Roman Empire then? I doubt it. But we definitely have a potent cocktail on our hands.

The scariest ingredient as I see it is AI. Overproduction of elites is always a destabilizing factor, and much of the well educated workforce may now turn out to be overproduction.

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You doubt it based on what?

Civilizational collapse occurs when society runs afoul of its basic contract and cannot provide its foundational services anymore. That can mean starvation, it also is given e.g. in the situation of elites running low on trust. Leading to social unrest spinning out of control, or former allies refusing to play along with political shenanigans.

In order to evade catastrophic civilizational collapse, you need viable and timely avenues for course-correction or adaptation. Those are presently being blocked by the very elites profiting from the system they bleed dry.

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Elite overproduction I think refers to the unemployment rate of people who graduated from elite universities. I think that rate is probably still not high enough to be concerning for now.
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Turchin doesn’t restrict his ”elite” to graduates of elite universities.
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How exactly is the US a continuation of Rome?
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Ancient Greece then?
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Other than the senate, eagle statues, architecture, philosophical/intellectual tradition?

Not as much of a parallel as people tend to think, but the Roman empire fell apart partly because it was based on the theory of constant outward expansion. If your model, say economic, is based on infinite expansion in a finite arena you'll have trouble.

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The European colonies in eastern North America were started by the successor states of the Roman provinces of Gaul, Hispania, Batavia and Britannia. Two of these spoke Latin derived languages, and the other two spoke languages heavily indebted to Romance languages. (Much of English core vocabulary is either French or Latin in origin — 60% according to one estimate.)

Other Roman influences on the USA include Christianity and to a lesser extent Judaism (since the major US versions come out of post-Roman Judaism.)

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Are you actually saying that a particular aspect of the Roman economy/society is applicable to something entirely different and completely irrelevant in the modern day?
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Western Civilization saw its start in Rome, and continued through the rise and fall of the Roman Empire when it contracted. The core of Western Civilization reemerged in England in the 15th century and expanded again, with the core moving to France in the early 19th century, before moving again to Germany in the middle of the 20th century. Post-WWII the core moved once again, this time to the United States, and after the expansion of the US Empire, we now see Western Civilization faltering and contracting under unpopular wars driven by a long series of self-serving poloticians. Whether Western Civilization can reorganize and expand (with the core migrating once again) or wither and die under the expansion and invasion by other civilizations remains the great question of the present day.
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Agree but “reemerge” implies it may have disappeared; of course it never truly died.

Taking a semi-opinionated swag, the core went from Rome to Constantinople, then Venice, then London.

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The USA is the product of the British empire which consciously modelled itself on Rome. It was influenced by various European countries, including England and France, which mostly developed in the Roman Empire's former territories.

The European Renaissance and the Enlightenment both used Roman and Greek ideas as inspiration. You can see this in early US architecture, and the models for some institutions such as the Senate. Some of this was ironically as a revolt against English institutions (even though England and Wales were successors of a Roman province).

The early USA's language(s) and Judaeo-Christian heritage are partly products of the Roman Empire. (Spanish most definitely is, and French is. English is heavily influenced by French and Latin.)

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> The USA is the product of the British empire which consciously modelled itself on Rome

By this logic, Turkey is a continuation of the Roman Empire too. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_claim_to_Roman_success...

At what point does something stop being a continuation of something else?

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It is absolutely true.

It's also true that as the scope of power humanity has over itself and its environment, it equally manages to create ever larger crises, and it seems like we truly are reaching the ecological and environmental limits of what the planet's life support systems can give us before breaking down.

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I personally disagree , humans have for Millenia ruined eco systems, made things go extinct etc.

Fires majorly destructive for example. Humans did a lot of environmental damage with that over the years

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Earth is finite. Scale matters.

Present levels of environmental degradation due to human actions far exceed Earth's capacity to self-heal.

People struggle with judging that, after all, at best you get a bunch of numbers and the claim, they would show this (or not). Without actual scientific background, what are you supposed to do?

Human society is based on trust. You depend on "experts" on a given subject to give truthful accounts of things. When you don't have that, society breaks down sooner or later: nobody adapts anymore to reality.

That's where we're at.

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We also have efforts to save the environment too though. So I agree it's grim, but it's not all grim.
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I don't think there is an obvious contradiction between what you're saying and what the post you're responding to is saying.
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