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> Is it really so unbelievable

A car company that has a long history of making false claims? Are you really asking me that?

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They have a long history of promising bad dates for future releases, or of exaggerating the capabilities of their ""FSD"", but they haven't rolled cars down hills or built them from styrofoam.
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They demoed a non-working demo of solar roof that was supposed to be a drop-in replacement for normal tiles with huge fanfare which turned out to be utterly impractical in real world usage and later quietly killed entirely.
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Ok? They’ve still largely delivered products even if the timing has been way off. I am a huge critic of Elon Musk and won’t buy another Tesla but they clearly build cars and products that work and hit consumer markets.

It’s dangerous for you to let your dislike of someone or some company to cloud your judgement like this. You know other companies have launched failed products too, right?

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> dislike of someone

I think it's the dead kids.

All those dead kids.

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No clue what you’re talking about. Elon Musk killed some kids so therefore the cars that Tesla makes don’t exist or something?
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> No clue what you’re talking about.

Here you go. AI can be so helpful when you're confused.

https://claude.ai/share/5d3b41f2-56e4-460e-84a4-4d34cef47fcf

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Ah - so people are making money from the cars doing taxi service while they sleep, are they?

And there are high-speed tunnels connecting major cities?

And that guy who saved those kids in Thailand is a pedophile?

And not a single person has died due to the USAID cuts?

Ok. Sure. I hear you. Perfectly.

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Yes, completely unbeleivable. I mainly think this because SpaceX has committed said engineers to delivering unfeasable amounts of payload to LEO/ISS, etc. Think on the order of "One succesful launch, delivery, and re-entry/recovery per day".

That is of course very very far away from reality (though, progressing to a feasable program faster than any space observers predicted.)

THat, combined with Elon signaling to investors/market that tesla no longer produces cars.....it's hard to imagine the company splitting their very, very , very over-commited engineers to a flying car. At least, they aren't commiting the point that this will be a consumer-market car, or even a halo car.

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> Think on the order of "One succesful launch, delivery, and re-entry/recovery per day".

Given that they have largely relied on reusability rather than strongly ramping up production of boosters for Falcon 9, and given that they have performed 3 launches in a single day, one launch per day is clearly achievable without any further advances, and without even using Starship.

To be clear, the stated goal for Starship is one launch per hour throughout the year, which would still be a tiny number compared to, say, airline flights, but quite impressive for orbital flight.

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They're averaging 2-3 Falcon 9 launches per week. That's not 'very very far away' from one per day.

Nobody else comes close, whether considering individual companies or entire nations.

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SpaceX put more mass in orbit this year than the rest of the world combined, and you’re saying they’re not doing a good job?
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Both can be true.

No contradiction between "more than everyone else combined" and "it is unfeasable to launch 36,500 metric tons per year compared to the about-2,500 tons in the last 12 months".

Especially as the working launch vehicle is getting retired and the replacement has only had one circularized orbit, and is currently behind the development pace set by the Saturn V, N1, and even the Space Shuttle.

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Well I'd say they're ahead of N1 considering that N1 never made it to orbit.
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That is just a one OOM scaling. It's not that difficult, especially considering that Starship just delivered the 3rd largest payload ever launched and it wasn't even at capacity.
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Sounds like you’re very big on the nay saying for its own sake.

I assume you’re dirty on Usain Bolt for not running faster?

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If Usain bolt claimed he would run 75mph, does him being the fastest runner change the fact that he lied?
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There are legitimate question about the physics of the thing that even the most talented engineers will still come up against.
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yes. unless elon himself personally is in the drivers seat while the "car" is doing all those things, it's cardboard and styrofoam.
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They’re one of the leading companies developing autonomous vehicles, but their original self-driving demo was still faked.
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Unbelievable? No. A company already caught lying multiple times in big fashion to whole world, never delivering FSD yet cashing in tons of money for it, plus rather mentally unstable owner to keep it polite?

Fool me once...

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Tesla FSD has 1.5 million active subscriptions and is growing at 50% annually.
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There are several model years that charged full price for FSD at sale and never received the necessary hardware upgrades.
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>never delivering FSD yet cashing in tons of money for it,

Even if they didn’t deliver FSD, the data says they delivered something people are choosing to pay $100 per month for.

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It’s both true that Elon lies and overpromises damn near everything, and that Tesla has the best self driving related features available in the US that a normal person can buy and use.
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Cute how you have to caveat your claim with "a normal person can buy and use."

I suspect the decision to put unfinished FSD into the hands of average people will be Tesla's undoing. I wouldn't cite it as a win quite yet.

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So where was it claimed Tesla achieved full self driving?
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What you just said is: "Ok, they lied, but they're still in business!"
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