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No it's not sad, the man was basically an unelected official, laid off thousands of government workers and the second order effects of that will affect millions. All while he also toys with Ukraine and lives are lost so that he appeases an autocrat?
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"No it's not sad, <I disagree with his politics>." really just proving GP's point imo. Imagine if you couldn't post a thread about Microsoft products on HN without republicans feeling the need to jump in to talk about how much they hate Bill Gates for his donations to Kamala Harris's campaign in 2024. It's really tiresome.
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Where is the hyperloop? Where are the tunnels? Where is the mars program? Where are self driving cars?

He's a bloviating conman and no rational person should believe that this demo will ever see the light of day, if it wasn't faked.

This is completely outside of politics.

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> Where are self driving cars?

On the road.

> Where is the mars program?

Starship is the required precursor.

> He's a bloviating conman

Enough of what he promised has been delivered that has made him a trillionaire.

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I'd see it as totally fair.

We also weren't discussing GoDaddy as a registrar without mentioning it's CEO killing elephants and being an all around douchebag. Or Oracle without the lawnmower.

It's tough to ask people to dissociate the CEO from the company, especially when he's doing all the PR by himself.

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what? the dude did two nazi salutes on live tv? its a reasonable thing to dislike him for regardless of your politics
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> laid off thousands of government workers

Preferably those tasked regulating his companies.

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> the man was basically an unelected official

Only the President and Congress were elected. The rest are all appointed.

> laid off thousands of government workers

He did at the direction of the President, who was elected. Government service is not a jobs program.

> the second order effects of that will affect millions

speculation

> All while he also toys with Ukraine and lives are lost so that he appeases an autocrat?

Decisions about Ukraine go through Trump. Musk is in a delicate position - it is illegal for him, as a private businessman, to be a combatant, but he seems thrust into that position.

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Yeah, and even with all the qualifications here, the man is still an absolute asshole.

All you need to do is see how frequently he posts on Twitter to know he's broken and trying to fill the hole with money and attention.

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> absolute asshole

I've worked with engineers "on the spectrum" my entire career. They can be difficult to get along with. None of them were evil, none intended to offend or hurt others. It would just come out wrong.

Once I understood, it wasn't an issue for me any more.

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> Only the President and Congress were elected. The rest are all appointed.

So an unelected official would be correct, right?

> He did at the direction of the President, who was elected.

Where is your evidence? Reporting contradicts what you say - https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/06/trump-cabinet-musk-...

> speculation

Not really. Multiple independent sources and reports have confirmed the damage done by Musk during his time at DOGE.

> Decisions about Ukraine go through Trump. Musk is in a delicate position - it is illegal for him, as a private businessman, to be a combatant, but he seems thrust into that position.

He is as "thrust" into that position as he was "thrust" into the DOGE role.

What are your thoughts on his illegal state-sanctioned intimidation of ex-FEMA CFO?

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I must defend the pdf billionaire
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This isn't TikTok. You can say "pedophile" here.
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Reporting literally just came out that throttling starlink for ukraine was his idea…but sure he is just a helpless innocent billionaire with no control whatsoever
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Musk replied to that post, defending his company's involvement. "Starshield systems are owned and controlled by the US government. Any limits on speed or usage are decided by the US military and ultimately POTUS," he wrote. Musk added that Starlink is for "civilian or defensive activities and cannot be used for offensive military action, as doing so would be inappropriate for a commercial company".

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8wy9veedgygo

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If they fired 90% of the government employees, nobody would feel the difference. Most people are just paper pushers and part of the nonsense system. He wanted to manage it like a company, and what any CEO would do when they just start working: trim the fat.
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100% of the people I know that got DOGE’d were amazing people drastically underpaid for their efforts already…

3 or 4 data points isn’t a whole lot more than an anecdote, but it’s still more data than baseless claims line you’re throwing around here

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They might choose to do that after gaining a cursory understanding of the actual inner workings of the organisation. Especially if that organisation functions differently than corporations.
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I hope you get fired, too.
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"If you want a reduction in seat warmers in government you deserve to lose your job where you're actually being a productive member of society"

Guess he hit a nerve, eh? My condolences you got hit by the layoffs, try to not browse Reddit and Facebook all day at your next government job. Or do, but ONLY if you work for the IRS or ATF, they deserve nothing less.

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You are so easily taken in by a conman, saying he's doing one thing while doing something else (destroying investigations into his charlatanism).

You'd have loved L Ron Hubbard back in the day.

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That guy is still doing damage and he's been dead for 40 years.
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If I had paid for a reservation for this car in checks notes 2017(!!!), I'd have some issues with them as well. Very cool tech demo, but come find me when it's getting produced and sold to the people who reserved them a decade ago.
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So many Elon haters around here

People should find a better hobby

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Well unfortunately he's made it necessary to do so. I can like this demo in the same way I can like the V2 rocket as a pioneering achievement in rocketry. There's a very big elephant in the room.
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The V2 as a military weapon was a complete failure (due to inaccurate guidance). It also consumed so much of the Reich's resources that it materially shortened the war.
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its cos he's a prick. The way he pretended to "fairly" sack devs at twitter when he was clearly just trying to cut costs. That he bought twitter to "defend free speech" and then started donating to the Republication party and promoting a very specific political position online. As a euro the Nazi salute alone is enough for me.

The qualifier matters, that guy has serious issues.

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He's a neo-nazi that killed millions with his illegal USAID cuts. That qualification is the bare minimum.
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Why is it sad? Over 700,000 avoidable deaths from Elon's dismantling of US AID alone, two thirds of them children. Estimated to be 14 million avoidable deaths by 2030.

I think the qualification is unbelievably tame considering what Elon deserves.

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Since you care so much, you must be donating a ton of money to save lives?
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> Over 700,000 avoidable deaths from Elon's dismantling of US AID alone

google: did congress restore food aid funding?

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How does that absolve Musk?
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I've seen wildly different estimates.
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Again, how does that absolve Musk?

Wildly different estimates or not, this is a matter of principle not of degree.

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Ok, let's examine principle. There are many food charities for starving people in foreign countries. If Bob does not donate to those charities, does that make Bob a murderer?

Donating other peoples' money is not virtuous. Donating your own is.

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