Is that relevant? Kotlin fully exists without the JVM, as requested.
replySort of? The kotlin standard library yes, but it’s pretty rare to write an app with only the standard library. It feels like you’re dismissing the Java interop as a secondary benefit, but for most uses of Kotlin it’s probably more important to project success than the language itself. So I think it’s accurate that without the JVM Kotlin would be essentially dead.
reply> dismissing the Java interop as a secondary benefit
replyI mean, I don't really care about any of that. I was just responding to the (likely unserious) technical critique that there is no Kotlin VM. As for whether Kotlin as a language would be popular without the JVM, that's a different question.
I stand by it until Kotlin Native is taken seriously, other than porting Android apps into iOS.
replyA subset of Kotlin has a native backend, not good enough to power JetBrains products, which still require Java Virtual Machine.
replyIt is so good, that JetBrains themselves rather use Rust or C++ for native code libraries on their IDEs, and not officially supported on the Android NDK.
So the goal post is JetBrains has to rewrite their stack in Kotlin native for Kotlin to not need the JVM?
replyThe goal post is that Kotlin is able to stand on its own, without any dependency of JVM ecosystem, for its evolution as ecosystem.
replyA sign of maturity that Kotlin is grown enough to leave its parents foster home, and stand on its own without pay checks from its folks.
Eating your own dogfood has always been a milestone of maturity.
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