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As someone who lives in an HOA, the purpose of it is to push responsibilities the city doesn't want to pay for onto us (even though we pay city taxes e.g. property and sales taxes). These include road maintenance and weed abatement. The predictable outcome of forcing a bunch of volunteers to be in charge of this stuff is that the final product is even worse than what the government manages, I.e. everything is constantly falling apart.
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> road maintenance and weed abatement

I am completely unfamiliar with a world in which HOAs fix roads.

I have also never lived in a city whose government got rid of weeds. What even is “weed abatement”? (Joke: Is this some slang for getting rid of the local marijuana grow houses?)

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Don't know if it's what gp is talking about, but in areas prone to wildfire, there are often laws about keeping brush and weeds a certain distance away from any structures.
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There is no reason to stomach an HOA, even if they are solving real problems. If there are real problems that need solving the municipality can handle it or a local cooperative can in some special cases; these can exist without any enforcement or review board authority and they can handle everything else you'd need for a community/centrally managed for a neighborhood.
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The idea is supposed to be that an HOA can be more efficient in taking care of problems. The municipality can be underfunded, etc, and take a long time to solve a problem.

In practice, HOAs generally don't do anything useful, though.

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Our neighborhood actually saves the County money for property they don’t have to maintain (drainage/swales/mowing/etc) and provides community things like tennis courts, basketball courts, pools, playgrounds etc that the County doesn’t have to provide or maintain. It’s also cheaper for the HOA to do it
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> It’s also cheaper for the HOA to do it

How?

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The project can either be managed by a paid county employee in exchange for money or a volunteer HOA tyrant I mean member in exchange for power.
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HOAs have direct control over spending and don’t need to meet the same bidding standards.
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That’s always the pitch when privatizing government functions. It rarely works out.
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Corruption that will get you sent to prison if your working for a muni is legal if you're running an HOA.
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In my local area HOAs are apparently required by the city. We manage ours, a very small HOA, and recently were in discussion about removal. If we remove the HOA, the cost for each house will likely go up significantly because there's work needed to manage a detention pond that the city requires we manage. If the HOA dissolves, they city takes it over but charges much more for the same management.

Feels really odd, no one in our area actually wants an HOA. Yet i think people are going to flip when their HOA dues are suddenly required by the city and at much steeper rates (i imagine 2-4x the cost, our dues are quite small atm).

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That’s the entire point of HOAs though; so that the city can offload those costs onto another organization AND collect the same revenue they would otherwise. At least where I live, it’s well understood among developers that the zoning and permitting process is how this is enforced.

The real, completely arbitrary thing that makes housing expensive is zoning. There is research on this. Zoning, especially in the long term, has enormous effects, including on things seemingly unrelated such as reducing construction productivity, reducing competition among construction firms (fewer contractors) and reducing housing supply (supply vs demand).

I think people generally don’t appreciate how restrictive zoning effectively is. It’s not just what you can build, but how big it is, layout things, and can even reach into aesthetics etc.

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John Oliver did a section on HOAs[0], and was brutal. They sound like a nightmare.

The segment ends with a funny "ad" about HOAs[1].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrizmAo17Os

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrizmAo17Os&t=1273s

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Friend of mine lives in an HOA that provides gym access to the community.

You'd think that means they have a gym on-site, but no; the HOA has a contract with a local health club to provide them with gym access. The club is owned by the builder's brother and the builder wrote the gym membership agreement into the HOA bylaws before turning it over to the community for management.

My friend is pretty understandably upset at this petty corruption, but every time it comes up, the HOA board would much rather deal with the "veneer" issues. Part of that is because the HOA board are busybodies, and part of that is because they're volunteers who have no desire to start a legal slap fight with the builder and his brother when they remove the (probably) unenforceable gym agreement from the bylaws.

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You have the neighbors you have, and if you want to live in a "free country" then you have to accept that, that street goes both ways.

That doesn't mean, you can't invite your neighbors over pizza or coffee, be friendly and one day mention that you think X, Y or Z and you wouldn't mind helping, and if they they aren't interested you'll totally respect that.

Don't be a Karen. But being considerate the old school way can go far. The rest you just have to live with :)

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Not sure why you're replying to me. But mostly, sounds like you're agreeing with me!
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Neighbors can and do do things that impinge on your life. Such as, playing loud music when you’re trying to sleep

(I have nothing to add to the HOA discussion, just saying that “live and let live” has limits)

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