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by afavour19 hours ago |
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upvoteby sigmar17 hours ago|
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People have been saying the openweight models would collapse anthropic's revenue since the deepseek moment in January of 2025. They've stayed ahead in model intelligence and increased revenue by a lot since then.

Not saying it couldn't happen in the future, but we've got to be circumspect about that narrative after almost 2 years of it, no?

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upvoteby afavour16 hours ago|
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January 2025 isn’t even two years ago yet. When you’re talking about giant companies going public you want to be looking at significantly longer timescales than that.
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upvoteby riknos31416 hours ago|
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How much of that revenue is usage from hosting partners (AMZN, M$, etc) who have a vested interest in using Anthropic instead of open weights though?
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upvoteby JacobAsmuth16 hours ago|
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Well then the fact that those hosting partners have 10+ year commitments should make you pretty confident then, right?
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upvoteby larksimian12 hours ago|
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Claude max sub is like 4x cheaper than deepseek equivalent, isn't it? At least 2x cheaper.
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upvoteby cruffle_duffle8 hours ago|
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The thing holding open models back is the insane cost of gpus. If/when that cost goes down… look out closed models!
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upvoteby grumple12 hours ago|
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In January 2025 most of us didn’t even consider the frontier models good enough for regular usage.
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upvoteby ex-aws-dude15 hours ago|
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Why would you be circumspect if the gap kept getting closer?

Doesn't that indicate its becoming _more_ true?

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upvoteby sigmar15 hours ago|
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What is the evidence the gap is closing? Seems like it has been the same "6 months behind" since Jan 2025. The first fable was trained in march and we still don't have an openweight model as capable
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upvoteby bel814 hours ago|
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Not everything needs SOTA (State of the Art).

If you control for cost, not only the gap closed, but it switched already.

DeepSeek 4.1 Flash dominates perf/cost for suitable tasks.

And if you do need SOTA, Kimi 3.1 Pro scores 55 on https://artificialanalysis.ai vs 58 of Opus 5.5. And they were released 1 month appart.

Kimi even outperforms Opus on some tasks because it doesn't downgrade its intelligente on cyber and cryptography workloads or ban you if you use it for LLM research.

So the gap is 1 month, or zero, depending on your needs.

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upvoteby chasd0012 hours ago|
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> Not everything needs SOTA (State of the Art).

but if they cost the same then who cares if it's SOTA or not? If I can use fable to solve a problem a lesser model is capable of but i have fable at my finger tips at about the same cost then why would i go through the effort to switch?

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upvoteby bel811 hours ago|
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Since when DeepSeek and Fable cost the same?

Even Kimi K3.1 costs half of Opus 5.5 on openrouter which is the closest indication of cost that we have.

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upvoteby seydor17 hours ago|
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End goal for both companies is probably to be absorbed by infrastructure companies
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upvoteby chasd0012 hours ago|
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this time last year my bet was Anthropic and OpenAI would go bankrupty. Msoft would get OpenAI and Google would get Anthropic and that would be that. Now i'm not so sure, if you think about it, the past 11 months have been pretty crazy in terms of LLM progress. In my eyes, coding agents didn't really begin to make a serious impact until maybe Dec 25 or Jan 26. It's not even been one year since that moment.

Idk what 2027 will bring but i've been pretty wrong in my predictions so far and so am excited to see what unfolds. I mean it could unfold as a zombie apocalypse but at least it's different than "more of the same".

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upvoteby louiereederson13 hours ago|
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Or are they AWS after launching S3 and EC2? Model companies have a credible path to building platform value. It's too early to assume they can't execute on that.
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