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by iLemming7 hours ago |
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upvoteby amitp6 hours ago|
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And with llm-buddy [1] everything I type in emacs gets sent to an LLM, which makes it even more valuable to do more things in emacs.

[1] https://github.com/ahyatt/llm-buddy

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upvoteby iLemming6 hours ago|
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Well, there's over 35 (and counting) different Emacs packages for LLM integration. And that's just the ones that were published.

https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1uwm3c0/the_state_of...

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upvoteby kleiba24 hours ago|
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Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you re: text manipulation. That's exactly why I find it so frustrating that it's basically frowned upon in my current job. I do use it still, but must do so pretty much secretly at work.

At home, it's a different story.

I believe, Emacs is considered unprofessional in a lot of places?!

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upvoteby jimbokun3 hours ago|
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Emacs is considered unprofessional in unprofessional work places.

Dictating specific tools without a very strong technical justification is a strong signal that your management doesn’t trust you to make any important decisions.

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upvoteby Jtsummers3 hours ago|
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> I believe, Emacs is considered unprofessional in a lot of places?!

Why would it be "unprofessional"? It's an editor. I've used it in every job since I left college 20+ years ago.

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upvoteby kleiba22 hours ago|
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You should have seen the expression on the faces when I mentioned "Emacs" during my job interview...
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upvoteby Jtsummers2 hours ago|
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The only expression I have gotten was something like "Why not vim?" and my response was "Because emacs is better, and I can always use evil-mode if I want the vim bindings". Then it gets installed (by me or an admin) and I use it. I can't imagine anyone actually caring, that's pretty petty of them, or lazy based on your other comment about it being too much work for sysadmins.
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upvoteby iLemming3 hours ago|
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> Emacs is considered unprofessional in a lot of places

What? Why? Who the hell would ever forbid anyone from using a tool that literally makes them more productive? I mean, as the Russians say: "If drinking vodka at work interferes with your job, quit drinking vodka... at that job"

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upvoteby kleiba22 hours ago|
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The main argument is that having the same setup on all work stations makes maintenance easier for the sysadmins and you don't run into inconsistencies between developers that only come about as a result of different setups.
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upvoteby jimbokun3 hours ago|
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Good point that navigating, searching and reading text is perhaps even more important than editing in the age of LLMs.
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upvoteby iLemming3 hours ago|
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It absolutely is. Consider this. I'm reading this thread in Emacs. Why? Am I obsessed with it? What's the point? Well, I can easily read not just the thread but also the article posted while ignoring all the fluff - graphics, banners, ads, etc. - to extract a piece of plain text.

I can also just ignore every conversation - sometimes, posted urls are more valuable than what people blabber and fight about. Imagine having to extract all the urls on the page. Some might say: "Hey, there's a browser extension for that", but...

a) the extension has its own keybindings, dissimilar UI, etc.

b) it won't ignore HN's internal URLs, so you still need to grab the list of URLs and then remove the ones you don't need in... your editor. So why not just use that, to begin with?

In Elisp, it's a one-liner. You can bind it to a key. I can also utilize sparse tree search, e.g., to collapse everything while leaving every reply that contains a keyword. With imenu, I can jump to any thread. With indirect buffers, I can compare two parts sitting on opposite ends of the discussion. I can narrow to any point, add some text, and then send a request to an LLM.

And guess what? All these things are still the same for a Reddit discussion. So when I use it in Emacs, I can still use the same ways of manipulating and extracting value.

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