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by neya5 hours ago |
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upvoteby tgma4 hours ago|
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I am a fan of OLEDs and have enjoyed secondary PC laptops with OLED, however, to be clear:

- Most OLED PCs were not anywhere as bright as the old MBP miniLED display.

- Almost all OLED PCs have terrible blue shift when viewed at an angle.

- Apple miniLED XDR displays are no slouches either. They are not quite OLED, but they implemented the dimming zones very well with uniform backlighting and deep blacks.

I have not seen Apple's on MBP, but I bet it meets or exceeds iPad Pro Tandem OLED which does not have the two problems above.

So no, it is not the same as the decade old PC OLED. And I have ignored all the potential durability issues.

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upvoteby ako3 hours ago|
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I had a Lenovo thinkpad with OLED before switching to a MacBook Pro (first M1 Max, now M5 max). I don’t really mis the OLED display, it’s not that big of a difference (according to my 55 year old eyes…) the thinkpad also had a touchscreen, never used it, only by mistake. I would not pay extra for a touchscreen or OLED on a laptop. The photos on the apple website are not convincing, playing a keyboard on a vertical screen looks very uncomfortable.

Also don’t understand the iPhone duo, I’d rather have a normal iPhone and an iPad Air. Cheaper, and better for mobile use and for couch media consumption.

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upvoteby random35 hours ago|
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This comes as straight out of PC vs Mac commercials. You confuse technology with actual products.
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upvoteby Grombobulous3 hours ago|
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And Apple apologists confuse stale designs, unchanged chassis, and subpar spec sheets for “intentional design” and “holistic products.”

I think some of those folks should face some facts:

- The notch on the MacBook Air and Pro lineups is unnecessarily huge and embarrassing. It’s obvious that Apple intended to implement FaceID and couldn’t get it into the notch by their deadline, then they just left the huge notch there with barely any software consideration for it, like how your menu bar icons and menus can just disappear if there isn’t enough room with no recourse.

- There is no design or cost reason for Apple to be this late on offering a touch screen on their laptops. There is no downside to a customer who buys one and doesn’t want a touch screen, they can just disable it.

- The 60Hz displays on the Air are not necessary for any kind of product quality or cost reason and are simply below-par for what you can get on similarly priced Windows laptops. 100% artificial product line anchoring.

- The idea that there was no such thing an OLED display that was “good enough for a MacBook Pro” before 2026 is absurd.

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upvoteby calf2 hours ago|
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But Apple laptops are still the best recommended laptops on the market, despite these extra costs and margins passed onto the consumer, why is that?
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upvoteby neya4 hours ago|
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Because, Macs are the only products and the rest which use OLEDs since 2016 aren't, right?
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upvoteby ksec4 hours ago|
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Do they have the same OLED? Same PPI? Same Tandem OLED? The First Tandem OLED on PC only came in 2022 IRRC, and laptop in 2024 / 2025.

Switching to OLED in 2016 makes zero sense when brightness and burn in issues are not solved.

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upvoteby Danox4 hours ago|
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Single OLED doesn’t count but Tandem OLED does…
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upvoteby cpursley4 hours ago|
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> Macs are the only products

The only ones that work as a unified product, yes.

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upvoteby internetter5 hours ago|
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Have you ever used a Mac? It is by and far the best laptop on average, and it keeps getting better.
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upvoteby neya4 hours ago|
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I have 3 Macs running. I love them, but that doesn't mean I can't criticise them for falling behind.
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upvoteby internetter4 hours ago|
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In what regard are they falling behind? There are lighter laptops, sure. Are there lighter laptops with the same performance, or the same battery, the same ergonomics, the same build quality, or the same screen quality?
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upvoteby burningChrome59 minutes ago|
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Gaming laptops they've never competed at all. Windows laptops offer far more form factors with easily upgradeable hardware. One of the only places Apple has an advantage is their chipsets. However, Qualcomm’s Snapdragon X chips have significantly closed the gap on Apple's ARM based M-chips.

I just got a 16" MacBook Pro with an M5 pro chipset and its total pig compared to my 15.6" HP ZBook Power G8.

The only area I can see where Apple is still holding their own is their UI/UX has always been buttery smooth compared to Windows or Linux. Not a fan the new liquid glass, but its still a very smooth running UI regardless.

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upvoteby yoavm2 hours ago|
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In the OLED regard. Other laptops had this for a decade now.
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upvoteby shahar2k4 hours ago|
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I pretty much daily use a MacBook Air and an arm windows laptop costing about half the price. I use the MacBook Air at home for administrative and basic tasks, but the arm laptop is actually useful and runs software that I need... MacBooks at this point are just like luxury cars they have way more features than they need and are polishing areas that appear good but not necessarily are good for everyday requirements.
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upvoteby internetter4 hours ago|
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What is the battery life of your windows laptop which is half the price? What is the screen quality? What is the single and multi core performance? Does it beat even the macbook neo on even one of these metrics? At the same cost?
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