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These statistics and safeguards are pretty much meaningless, because it's completely trivial to get around them. You can prefill and edit the model's responses/thinking and force it to agree to virtually anything even with unmodified weights, and if you don't want to bother with jailbreaking and can host it yourself it's essentially a one-man weekend project to uncensor the model and have it agree with anything you want by default.

Guardrails on open-weight models is security theater purely to shield whoever released them from a potential PR nightmare.

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I was trying this with Gemma 4 before and it wasn’t as easy as I expected.It would refuse even after long prefills.
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It's unfortunate, because the security theater performed here detracts from the model's overall cybersecurity performance. And uncensoring has another small hit to performance.
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Yea, the problem with maliciousness is intent.

Much like having a hacking tool doesn't mean you're doing anything illegal, attacking a machine doesn't necessarily mean you're committing a crime. I can hack the living shit out of my local network if I want to.

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Somehow that statement just screams that our model is not useful for security work
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Nobody cares about that number, because refusals don't lead to company-ending news headlines.
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It is kind of comical how things that previously would have been obviously true are now only statistically true

"Our product won't hack you 96.6% of the time"

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"The model failed to refuse a cyber request when it should have" != "the agent hacked someone". For example, refusals also apply to just asking the model how to do something, without extending it any agency.
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