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I have said this many times, and will probably have to say it many more: Stablecoins are nothing but a face-saving measure for the US government.

It is politically impossible to go back on KYC/AML measures in the traditional financial system, even if some of them were perhaps a bit too ill-advised. It's much easier to say "this is shiny new tech, very different from that old tech over there; we support innovation so we won't impose KYC requirements on it", even if there's no logical reason to do that.

As it stands, stablecoins let you make a keypair in the privacy of your own home (or your own agent sandbox, as it were) and immediately start transacting. They're allowed-by-default instead of blocked-by-default, with the US government still able to block you if they have a specific reason. No traditional bank I know of, in any country, works like this. This is a valuable capability to have, technologically, even if there's no technical reason why a Postgres database and a REST API couldn't provide the same service, but faster and more easily.

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> It is politically impossible to go back on KYC/AML measures in the traditional financial system

It’s politically irrelevant more than impossible. Most Americans simple aren’t visibly encumbered by KYC/AML enough to make it a priority.

> They're allowed-by-default instead of blocked-by-default

So were banks in the wildcat era.

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Suddenly, physical Gold in a safe at home looks fairly decentralized and censorship-proof
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Until you need to move or share it. That's why monero XMR is the only serious fungible and decentralized cryptocurrency
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I don't doubt what you're saying. But as someone who is really not buying into cryptocurrencies, this is exactly what someone who holds a big amount of some obscure cryptocurrency would say.

I've heard good things about monero from a friend. This is not an attack on monero, rather a reflection on the general tone of the message.

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>some obscure cryptocurrency

Monero is so obscure the IRS has put out a million dollar bounty to trace it, unlike any other crypto even btc lol

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It's a store of value, rather than a medium for transaction. If you want to move or share it, you pick it up and move or share it mostly...
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I think how easy it is depends on the country and state of things. I would not want to move or share even small amount of gold outside of first world countries even in good times.
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Unless you are moving more than about 1 million dollars in gold, it's actually quite easy to move it.
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It's very easy to pick it up, put it in a car or van, and move it to a different location.

It's much less easy to convert it to something you can actually spend. Even if you can get it to a buyer, they'll always offer you less than you expect/want.

Reputable dealers have KYC reporting duties of their own. Disreputable dealers... may have other ideas.

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Of course dealers have KYC (you generally need to give your id) but this thread was about having one's own gold in a safe, not about shady dealings or stealing gold.

Gold sells at about 1% less than the current market price of the gold content of your item which I find fair. It might be easier here in Antwerp than in other places to deal with gold because it's kind of a gold trading hub. You can basically show unannounced (I suggest going by bike rather than by car because there is little street parking) and trade your gold for cash at the -1% rate, obviously if you get to the million euros range it's going to be a bit different, but for a few tens of thousands it's business as usual. And it's not like it's a difficult place to reach from anywhere else in the EU.

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I would be nervous moving borders with ~1 million dollars worth of gold.
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Talk to airport security people. The number of travelers, particularly from India and the middle east, with gold bars is nuts. It isn't loose bricks in a sock bag, but piles of one-ounce bars in plastic wrappers, stacked like playing cards, is not unusual. The Canada mint has a reputation for excellent gold/silver. Middle eastern tourists regularly return home carrying stacks of canadian gold/silver bars.

As opposed to junk like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gold/comments/1xab90c/first_gold_ba...

When the canada mint does a movie tie-in, they do it better: https://cdncoin.com/collections/rcm-new-arrivals/products/20...

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That technically true for any coin where miners are organized enough, see the ethereum fork where bad contract made wrong people lose money so they forked entire chain to get the money back
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Look into the history of USDT. It's creation was dodgy to say the least.

Over time I believe it's founders did start backing it with Treasuries so now it must turn a nice profit for them.

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if its bannable by a centralized place please explain how it is decentral? i thought that was the kind of controls a decentral system was specifically designed against. is that understanding of mine flawed?
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Your thinking is not flawed. It's just not decentralized.

Decentralized cryptocurrency is an ideal from early 2008's from the Bitcoin supporters. It's not the reality of cryptocurrency in general.

Cryptocurrencies are full of contraditory ideas between the founding ideology and the actual usage.

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You missed out that it is run by crooks closely associated with SBF and shady banks like Deltec

https://dailycoin.com/sbf-tether-deltec-secretly-colluding/

Also, it's not decentralised, they just unilaterally froze 2 billion in funds.

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> bannable by a central institution with lower legal oversight than the Fed

It’s way easier to take a company to court than any government entity.

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> great amazing decentralized censorship-free drop in replacement

It's not and never supposed to be and everybody who uses it in any significant amount knows that. Don't mistake a cryptotoken with a cryptocurrency.

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I love monero but then you have the problem that very few exchanges support it and if you need to convert big amounts of it in common currency it gets quite hard to do compared to eth/btc
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Well, nobody said that the true anarchy would be easy. No government actually wants to approve the original spirit of crypto, everything they allow is either a toy or a scam they can take advantage of.

Then people get into shitty casino tokens that are widely available because the state doesn't care about a little gambling and got surprised that they are in the casino in the first place.

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This is absolutely what true anarchy looks like. Before you can blink, someone else has taken over, and now you have a new boss, only worse.
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Not the case at all. True anarchy is community governance where a very local group of people start working together. Anarchist meetings are not restricted to, but include, looking like a bunch of people in a room, voicing their problems with this week's chief speaker as moderator, and then everyone in the room splitting off into working groups to address each problem. The chief speakers rotate around the group each week to avoid moderator bias, and each working group might reach out to other anarchist groups to exchange information and resources freely.

This is but one model developed within academia for an entirely anarchist organisation, there are dozens of others and they have been both studied for efficacy (they tend to work better than a more hierarchical structure), as well as put into practice in real life within certain organisations. To this date there are a number of non-profit organisations and coöperatives that use this governance system to improve the situation where they are locally and achieve their goals — whether that's "everyone working to improve the local community" or "make good products for a client".

The entire point of anarchism is that there isn't One Big Guy, it's that it's people, deciding on a system and working together on a small scale — this then translates to the big scale through cross-group meetings, information sharing, and resource sharing. There is a lot of evidence within the social sciences to back these methodologies up as being very efficacious compared to traditional methods of group organisation, as well as being more democratic than traditional alternatives.

This additionally tends to be how some kinds of open mic nights work, as well as some kinds of modern speakeasys.

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> True anarchy is community governance

It’s a bit antithetical to anarchy to start defining true and untrue configurations. It’s more accurate to say that while anarchy permits chaos, it also permits self-organization, one mode of which is hierarchy-free community governance. Most of us have experienced this among friends when e.g. deciding where to go to dinner.

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This is one of these circular relationships. You and your friends can experience true, free, cooperation exactly because you don't have to be on guard 24/7 against enemies, because you live in a civil society that has rules, and people to enforce those rules - ultimately by coercion through violence.

Peaceful anarchy evaporates when bad actors arrive. I wish it wasn't so. A structured civil society is the nearest we've managed to get to being able to live in relative freedom almost all of the time. It's the least violent, least coerced option we've been able to find.

The other way would be to go live in a group by yourselves off the grid, and as long as every one of you is good and decent that will be fine, but the moment one of you goes bad, you either have to choose violence or they will do whatever they want to you.

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The term anarchy is used in academia for all kinds of non-hierarchical civil societies. Academia being academia, they chose to stick with a dumb label. But the set I think OP is describing is more intuitively understood as non-hierarchical social systems.
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USDT is created by a super shady company and is not at all decentralized or censorship-free. You could have made the argument for Bitcoin (and still can to a certain level) but most cryptos that propped up after that or stablecoins do not follow the hacker philosophy and more the banker one. Ironic that the whole crypto movement got co-opted by the likes of JPM which it seeked to replace.
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Recently I tried to donate to a project using their preferred crypto payment processor flow, which purported to support "Coinbase Wallet" integration. So thinking that was just like, Coinbase, I said "sure why not" thinking it'd save me the effort of copy/pasting long strings back and forth.

Turns out, Coinbase "Wallet" is a completely separate thing from Coinbase, and long story short, ultimately ended up accidentally converting some spare ETH I transfered into some kind of garbage Binance "wrapped" Litecoin. Which had zero indication/warnings in the app other than a like 4 pixel Binance logo superimposed on the 16 pixel Litecoin logo that it wasn't the real thing.

Once I gave up on this Wallet experiment I ended up needing Gemini to walk me through all the Binance "gas" nonsense to finally manage to swap into a real coin I could transfer out (like 80% of what I started with after subtracting gas fees and miscellaneous leftover change I was stuck with). And while transferring I had to avoid like a dozen alternative networks consisting of seemingly random strings and a scary red banner saying "yo don't fuck this up".

My first red flag should have been that Coinbase Wallet's Play Store name literally advertised betting on prediction apps. Second red flag was while looking for "Litecoin" in the list of coins, there were literally about 5000 different spam/meme coins with dozens of near identical clones that were all name squatting on top of each other.

As someone who came of age in the Crypto 1.0 "Bitcoin is for buying drugs" era the entire exercise was utterly baffling and somehow significantly less usable than crypto was a decade ago for actual payments. I guess for a young person looking to illegally gamble their paychecks at some unlicensed offshore prediction market it provides some utility I'm missing but man, the experience just made the post-Web 3.0 crypto scene look .... grim.

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Normally they publish the wallet id, then you send money there using any method you want. What Gemini would do in your place?
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No one ever said USDT was decentralized.
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Tether isn’t decentralized or censorship free in any way
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Tether's entire business model, providing an almost-unregulated USD cryptocurrency, relies on them not arbitrarily banning people. They don't do it frequently or without thought. You're far less likely to get banned from USDT than just about any non-cryptocurrency financial institution.
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> Tether's entire business model, providing an almost-unregulated USD cryptocurrency, relies on them not arbitrarily banning people

No, their entire business model relies on bank/CC providers don't ban them. Somehow, they treat all crypto related transactions as iffy but USDT, bought to buy crypto, got under much less scrutiny. The entire problem their solver was that new users couldn't move cash to exchanges fast enough to join bull runs.

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You can say the same for many other industries:

> almost-unregulated except when the authority say no.

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Yeah, until Trump (or whoever is president at the time) tells them to.

What will they do when the alternative is broken bones?

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