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It's still far cheaper, faster, and less wasteful to wash by hand. It's just that the technique required to achieve that is... controversial? It's definitely always so misrepresented you'd swear it's the "before" part of a 90s informercial shot in black and white with a frustrated idiot failing at a simple task before throwing their hands up and pleading that "there has to be a better way".

Dishwashers simply aren't used in places with water restrictions. Broke people don't have a budget for dishwashing detergent because it's less general purpose than dish soap. There are likely people who started using their dishwasher more or even suddenly bought one based on those rants. It jiggled the handle on consumer trends that otherwise rarely change, so I consider that "influence".

If he stuck to just explaining how they work instead of attacking people's way of living, it would have flown under the radar.

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> It's still far cheaper, faster, and less wasteful to wash by hand.

Citation please? https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/20798 links 2 sources that disagree with you.

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Someone gives you sources disproving your claim and you respond by...quoting yourself calling the viewership of a video young?

Dishwashers aren't as evil as you think they are, I promise.

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They are forced upon Americans in every way imaginable. They're bundled in with appliance sets sold to first time home buyers and preinstalled in every apartment.

You and the other comment are missing my point. It really doesn't matter at all how well they do or don't work. Dishwashers are a sales platform. The rest of the world doesn't have them.

They are neat in a way, but even TC himself admitted that the dishwasher is sort of a solution in search of a problem. His only endorsement was that they save water compared to the typical lazy bastard attempting to wash dishes by hand, and that it's a net good for that reason. I never disagreed with that. I said that TC counts as an influencer, and perhaps in the sneakiest way possible, given these replies.

Calling you all "naive" is really an understatement once the echo chamber begins reverberating. Jeez! Yes, you're part of it. I'm simply pointing it out. Yes, "citation needed" is a pseudointellectual crutch. No, you don't have to trust an influencer just because everyone else does.

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> They're bundled in with appliance sets sold to first time home buyers and preinstalled in every apartment.

Do you object to stoves and refrigerators in the same way?

> The rest of the world doesn't have them.

This is not at all true. Source: my non-American household, which has had one for decades. (Also, web search.)

> even TC himself admitted that the dishwasher is sort of a solution in search of a problem

I don't recall him saying anything of the sort. I don't suppose you could provide a timestamp?

> Calling you all "naive" is really an understatement once the echo chamber begins reverberating. Jeez! Yes, you're part of it. I'm simply pointing it out. Yes, "citation needed" is a pseudointellectual crutch. No, you don't have to trust an influencer just because everyone else does.

It's not a matter of trust. TC presents a complete, reasoned, independently verifiable argument; and it turns out that his results replicate quite well. As per the skeptics.SE link you brushed off, and as per the personal experience of myself and many others.

At any rate, you are using inappropriate rhetoric and then disingenously trying to brush it off as "simply pointing out" claims that don't actually stand up to scrutiny.

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