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Claude Max 20x is becoming Ultra and the weekly limits aren’t changing: https://x.com/claudeai/status/2116220869479428500
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In the plan it says 10x weekly usage instead of a general "20x" statement (which was confusing, admittedly)

https://x.com/JesusIsGod/status/2116228727059411248 am I misinterpreting? Or was it always 10x? Everything is so vague, no wonder they call it "vibe-coding" :)

edit: A lot of people on twitter say it has always been 10x for weekly so what do I know

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My understanding is that it was 20x 5-hour-usage, never weekly. And they now just removed the 5-hour-limit on that plan alltogether.
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Ah, so both Claude and Codex are going to have the same exact reduction for their two equivalent plans - 20x to 10x, at the same previous price - at the same time? I already knew about the ChatGPT announcement, but the claude one is completely new to me and completely unexpected. So much for competition...
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ChatGPT Pro 20x will remain at 20x it seems https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9793128-about-chatgpt-pr...

> The reduction announced in our September 29 email is canceled. If you already had the higher Work and Codex allowance, you keep it. If you had the lower allowance, it has doubled to match. Your subscription price stays at $200/month.

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What I find interesting with this is that they dished out 65,000 credits to all Pro200 users as a "sorry we're doing this" but didn't take them back after this announcement.

Retail cost of $2500, would love to know their actual cost for these credits.

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Rough hand-wavey guess, assuming:

* 85% inference margins = $375

* 50% abandonment (since it does expire; and general prepaid credit abandonment is pretty high; especially given how much credits they dished out; so probably on the low end) = $188

Plus, it's unclear how many users opt out of training, so more usage and RLHF data on their best models from long-term power users, might work out to be a net benefit to them; since these kind of "non-abusable" (i.e. not announced beforehand) announcements don't suppress monetization as much.

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They give (gave?) out resets like candy, I get the impression they pride themselves on how much compute they can give away.
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Look up price versus intelligence for your favorite open model on artificial analysis and compare it with Luna, Sol, Opus, and Sonnet. Mind you, all of those are API prices, and you're still better off paying API prices than using an unsubsidized open model. Subscriptions from any of the major labs are an even better deal.
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